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Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - Plume - 10-04-2007 04:51 PM
VBS CORRESPONDENT RYAN DUFFY ON THE RUDE AWAKENING OF COLOMBIAN SCOPOLAMINE
When VBS initially asked me to go down to Colombia to dig into this Scopolamine story, I was pretty excited. I had only a vague understanding of the drug, but the idea of a substance that renders a person incapable of exercising free-will seemed liked a recipe for hilarity and the YouTube hall of fame. I even spent a little time brainstorming the various ways I could transport some of it back to the states and had a pretty good list going of different ways to utilize it on my buddies.
The original plan was for me to sample the drug myself to really get an idea of the effect it had on folks. The producer and camera man had flew down to Bogota ahead of me to confirm some meetings and start laying down the groundwork. By the time I arrived a few days later, things had changed dramatically. Their first few days in the country had apparently been such a harrowing montage of freaked-out dealers and unimaginable horror stories about Scopolamine that we decided I was absolutely not going to be doing the drug. All elements of humor and novelty were rapidly stripped away during my first few days in town. After meeting only a couple people with firsthand experience, the story took a far darker turn than we ever could have imagined and the Scopolamine pranks I had originally imagined pulling on my friends seemed beyond naive and absurd. By the time we were wrapping things up and preparing to leave the country, I couldn't wait to get as far away from Colombia and that drug as possible. Apologies for a fleeting moment of sincerity, but looking back, I'm pretty proud of the work we did down there. This story, and the people who tell it, truly deserve to be heard.
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Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - Plume - 10-05-2007 03:19 PM
no response!!? I came across this and couldn't believe it. I am only curious. There's a video of a man who says he'd taken this drug and when he came to, he woke up in a park. later on he found $3500 withdrawn from his bank account and although the cameras at the bank recorded him doing the withdrawal, he had no recollection of doing it. So therefore i'm assuming conspiracy-wise.....????
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - Lummox3 - 10-05-2007 03:34 PM
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It's onw of the ones from the Mkultra program. it''s half hypnotic/half halluciogenic and can be administered in very small doses through air particles.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - Plume - 10-06-2007 03:05 PM
yeah well that's what i read/saw, but is it's potency and affect factual. if this is real this opens a whole other world of fantasticisms into pseudo conspiracy application. dirty deeds done unconsciously. is this drug capable of this? is there any?
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - Lummox3 - 10-06-2007 04:23 PM
Yes, there are. People are hypnosis machines.
For example, it would be incredibly difficult to use drug spiking and hypnosis to get 4 asian men to go and blow up a tube station each. The survival mechanisms that we all have would be triggered by such a suggestion even if they were doped up to the eyeballs and tranced from here to pluto.
It would, on the other hand, be very easy to get them all to meet and go camping, with a sense of satisfaction that they had packed all the stuff into their rucksacks well and had no need to check them.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - Darren Dirt - 10-06-2007 04:55 PM
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Scopolamine, also known as hyoscine, is a tropane alkaloid drug obtained from plants of the family Solanaceae (nightshades), such as henbane or jimson weed (Datura species). It is among the secondary metabolites of these plants. An overdose can cause delirium, delusions, paralysis, stupor and death.
Scopolamine acts as a competitive antagonist at specific muscarinic acetylcholine receptors ("M1" receptors); it is thus classified as an anticholinergic, or, more specifically, as an anti-muscarinic drug.
Scopolamine, in common with the large percentage of anticholinergics which cross the blood-brain barrier such as diphenhydramine, dicyclomine, trihexyphenidyl and related drugs, is said to produce euphoria at and around therapeutic doses as well as to potentiate this and other effects of morphine, methadone, hydromorphone, oxycodone and other opioids. It is therefore occasionally seen as a recreational drug.
Another separate group of users prefer dangerously high doses, especially in the form of datura or belladonna preparations, for the deliriant and hallucinogenic effects. The hallucinations produced by scopolamine, in common with other potent anticholinergics, are especially real-seeming and create a perception of a new world filled with frenzied, violent energy.
When combined with morphine, it produces amnesia and a tranquilized state known as twilight sleep. Although originally used in obstetrics, it is now considered dangerous for that purpose for both mother and baby.
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Twilight sleep is an amnesic condition characterized by insensibility to pain without loss of consciousness, induced by an injections of morphine and scopolamine, especially to relieve the pain of childbirth. Also known as a "zombie state." The use of this method fell out of favor because the relief of pain was often inadequate and there was a significant risk of asphyxia for the baby.
The use of scopolamine as a truth drug was investigated by various intelligence agencies, including the CIA, during the 1950s. see: Project MKULTRA. It was found that, due to the hallucinogenic side effects of the drug, the truth was prone to distortion, and the project was subsequently abandoned. Nazi doctor Josef Mengele experimented on scopolamine as an interrogation drug.
In Colombia a plant admixture containing scopolamine called Burundanga has been used shamanically for decades.
Also in Caracas, Venezuela, crime related to burundanga techniques has multiplied in the last years. Targets are easily approached and just with physical contact they administer the drug to the victim. Reports of techniques of administration include wafting the powder to the victim with a puff of air, drugged chewing gum, or even craftily dropping the powder into the collar of a shirt or the front of a woman's low-cut dress.
Scopolamine is used criminally as a date rape drug and as an aid to robbery, the most common act being the clandestine drugging of a victim's drink. It is preferred because it induces retrograde amnesia, or an inability to recall events prior to its administration or during the time of intoxication.
Scopolamine (hyoscine) causes memory impairments to a similar degree as diazepam (aka Valium).
(2000) Scopolamine was the drug Michael claimed he was injected with either by the military and/or the aliens in "The Mars Records".
(2007) VBS.tv correspondent Ryan Duffy traveled to Colombia and shot an in depth 9-episode piece on Scopolamine, its effects, people who've used it, and people who've been attacked with it. The series is titled "Colombian Devil's Breath", after the street name in Colombia for the drug.
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Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - thirdeye - 10-06-2007 05:30 PM
I overdosed on this substance and was hostpitalized for two days. DO NOT PLAY WITH THIS STUFF. All the horror stories you have heard about it are probably true. But hey, if you want to know what total dimensia is like, be my guest ;D
But seriously, dont. 1 out of 100 people die. I could tell you my story but it doesnt matter. Just dont do it. Datura is no "cool". It can be derived from Jymsen Weed, and stay away from that also. If somone wants to tell you " hey man this is cool" stop them immediately and say " YOU DUMB BASTARD! NO!!". haha. I have actually had to do this before and stop pepole from ignorantly taking it.
One good thing came of it and that is a personal thing. I am part of magickal order and discovered one of our very very adept people actually took datura KNOWING what it would do and gained much from the experience. BUT, be warned. This man was culturally sanctioned and had much foreknowledge beforehand. There was an Indian tribe in Ohio that would use Jymsen Weed. They would dig a huge hole in t he ground and make a cage on top of it. All young boys at the age of 10 or 12 would be given large doses of this and put into the earth for 3 days. After three days he will have forgotten his childhood and has become instantly ready for manhood. You must remember, it is CULTURALLY SANCTIONED for them to do this. You might think it is horrible, but just imagine what it may have been like to live at the time as a native american....Gotta chuck out a lot of the beliefs you hold now.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - NonEntity - 10-06-2007 05:40 PM
thirdeye Wrote:You must remember, it is CULTURALLY SANCTIONED for them to do this. You might think it is horrible, but...
This is a really interesting post, 3rdI. I've been curious about this stuff, but always scared by the stories. Your warning confirms my fears. Thanks for that.
Now, onto the comment of yours that I quoted... I must say, that sounds an awful lot like slavery or dictatorship or any of the myriad other terms for COERCION that we are against here in NonLegalLand. Clitorectomies are culturally sanctioned, too. As were human sacrifices by lots of tribes. Did you mean that in a way different from how I'm interpreting it? If so, perhaps you'd be willing to try and explain your thoughts on the subject in more depth.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - thirdeye - 10-06-2007 07:48 PM
Sorry. Im hanging out with people right now and having the most mind opening experience of my life. Ill get back to ya.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - Lummox3 - 10-07-2007 03:32 AM
NonEntity Wrote:thirdeye Wrote:You must remember, it is CULTURALLY SANCTIONED for them to do this. You might think it is horrible, but...
I think what he means is that if you believe you'll be ok when you vanish into a world created only by your own imagination due to a factor sych as social awareness/peer group/personal belief then you'll be fine.
Belief is powerful stuff, drugs just give it's effects a peak.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - thirdeye - 10-07-2007 05:52 AM
Exactly Lummox. Plus I had to say that I WAS hanging out with people having a mind blowing experience talking about all kinds of things from drugs to consciousness, this and that. I love hanging out with people that are familiar with what I am familiar with. The dam just breaks and information flows. Right when I read the reply we were in the middle of talking about the expansion of consciousness and it was just a neat little coincidence. But some poeple get me all wrong and may say things like " But I dont HAVE to take mushrooms" and I agree 100%. Whats "true" for me is not "true" for another. Some people feel that talking about expansion of consciousness using substances to be very taboo and that's just fine with me. Check out the Parmacratic Inquisition here:
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Also, there is a new "shroom documentary" movie out there that is PURE BULLSHIT. It is like Reefer Madness for mushrooms. Utter propaganda. Dont waste your time.
Terence Mckenna talked about cuturally sanctioned experiences. He was in the Amazon and took a substance from a shaman. He felt like he was going to die. HE explained it as being thrown into the jaws of death while trying to monitor all these bodily functions going into total shock. He said he talked to the shaman the next day and said " ehhhhh Enkwanule....we have to talk... ummm what the hell happened to me" and the shaman said " oh yes, this is why our shamans don't live very long". HAHA. So it was culturally sanctioned for these people to have this experience. Same way it is culturally sanctioned for us to use tobbacco the way we do. If I gave that shaman a puff from my cig he would probably just turn green and start puking.
The body mutilation you mentioned is on a whole other level. I dont even believe in circumsition because it was originally used as a mark of slavery in Egypt. Thats where it came from and has NOTHING to do with hygene like they tell you today. It is literally a mark of slavery.
There there, don't feel too upset about it if you are cut. ;D A lot of girls prefer it.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - Lummox3 - 10-07-2007 07:10 AM
John LaValle used to do a set of hypnosis instructions called "drug of choice", well worth digging up if you can find it.
Drug effects are caused by the bodies REACTION to stimulus. Once the reaction is learned, you can trigger it when you want. Downsides due to toxicity are much reduced in this way, leaving only the natural hangunder/over for the reaction itself. This is why replicating pain removing drugs using hypnosis let's terminal patients live longer, they are only fighting the cause of decline, not cause of decline + toxicity.
See - Erickson and Joe the flower seller.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - NonEntity - 10-07-2007 07:10 AM
Thanks for your reply. I agree with you that what you or I put into our bodies is OUR (as individuals) business and OUR responsibility. I also think that there is no question that some psychotropic experiences can be very beneficial while others can really do you in. Just like most things. I've sorta had both.
As to the "culturally sanctioned" stuff, I'm still not clear on your meaning. But it appears whatever it is that you mean is not what I was interpreting it to be, so that's okay.
I envy your conversation with your friends and am pleased for you that you had a good time.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - NonEntity - 10-07-2007 07:35 AM
You may very well be interested in Neil Slade and his brain research regarding the individual's ability to "click the amygdala forward" (as he calls it) and exercise self control over your mental states.
Here is an Interesting Interview (text) with Neil that you may find a good introduction.
Re: Anyone heard of Columbian Scopolamine? and is it real? - Plume - 10-07-2007 07:41 AM
So this an item that may or may not be kicked to the curb? as far as we really know. i went off the sheer intensity of the obvious rediscovery by the individuals in the vid