Morality. It's a one way street.

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WorBlux Wrote:UPB's something that comes up on that board all the time, and is more or less the same every time.
My contribution, (And I just point back to it whenever the topic comes up.
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If I may ask, a bit point blank, do you find UPB (the theory/the book) convincing/satisfying?
[FWIW, I no longer do; and not so much that it's total bunk to me, as much as it isn't consistently LRR (logical+reasoned+rational). And as a sidebar, it has nothing to do with the author having banned me from his website-- which in retrospect/re-evaluation, was a [strike]godsend[/strike] [strike]dogsend[/strike] goodsend]

Quote:The thing I'd point out about Dustin's post is that morality is not just about what is valued, but about what is valuable (in the scope of human action) Good is to be done and pursued.

Could you expound a bit more on this? I'm finding it, as written, a bit circular.

One side bar share with it, is that for me here was the first time I connected the words 'good' and 'goods'; where with the latter followed the expression "goods and services". And goods and services are but... evaluation's results aka each one's individual values?

Let me share too, that on this (grey)matter of morality/ethics, I'm presently befuddled regarding the objective versus subjective aspect of/argument over it. But on a scale, I'm way on the side of it being subjective. In a bit of a ying&yang sense (?), I can see that for human beings, 'good' is objective-- but only in the [strike]sense[/strike] intuitiveness akin to the ethereal "gut hunch" that it's some[strike]thing[/strike] feeling We all [strike]'know'[/strike] experience as an inclination, but that is totally subjective when it comes to the specifics of what is and isn't. There seems to be "The Good" that each intuits, but that can only be "a good" in the reality of given time and space shared --individually and socially. The "Good is to be done and pursued." (period!) specifically still ultimately gets down to each and everyone's opinion, no? Even where UPB's "universally" really is not much more than "majority rule"/democracy?
And opinions are either logically, rationally reasoned (LRR) evaluations, or not so much-- with typically a bunch of grey (matter) even with LRR? [and how much a perpetuation of the specific memes as thought-habit, dogma, to indoctrination, transfers them as be(come)ing objective rather than subjective is still up for settlement].

For my present state/peace of mind, the notorious is/ought matter is simply a consonant shift to: the if/ought matter. Wherein, if one values such and such, then the most logically, rationally reasoned approach ought to be the way. If not, then you ought to do what value aka what you want to. [how anothers value, arrived at via their evaluation, will address it, well, that's what is called 'society' (2 individuals to 6 billion individuals) --and 'history']

Quote: As a child one experiences the inclination to ask questions, and to greet apparently satisfactory answers with satisfaction and failure to answer as a disappointment. At some point one comes to understand -- has the insight -- that such answers are instances of a quite general standing possibility, namely knowledge, coming to know and overcoming ignorance. By a distinct though often well nigh simultaneous further insight one comes to understand that this – knowledge -- is not merely a possibility but also a good [bonum], that is to say an opportunity, a benefit, something desirable as a kind of improvement (a perfectio) of one's or anyone's condition, and as to be pursued.

This connects for me (as LRR) ; particularly the part where it's expressed as "a good [bonum]" (i.e. as amongst goods and services) and as such it is defined as something desirable... as a kind of-- hence something evaluated, then valued as valuable (to their self)... in time and space aka an instance (that may or may not change in the next/another aka the next evalueation...).