New "One Person" - One seatbelt law [Am I fighting an "act" (Hwy traffic act)

[Dynamo Joe]

I recently renewed my vehicle license plate sticker.  In the letter there was this pamphlet folded up "

New "One Person" - One seatbelt law

Quote:The new "one person - one seatbelt" law requires every person in a vehicle to be properly secured by a seatbelt, child car/booster seat.  Drivers continue to be responsible for ensuring passengers under 16 yrs of age properly secured. 
Drivers convicted of a seatbelt/child seat violation will face a $110 fine and 2 demerit points on their driver record.

All passengers 16 yrs of age and older must ensure they sit in a seating position with an available seatbelt and wear the seatbelt properly.  Failure to do so will result in a $110 fine.  These passengers are now required to provide their name, address and date of birth to police for enforcement of a seatbelt violation.

I have some questions...
What is a "person"
What is a passenger?
What is a driver?

Prior to this act, if a passenger did not wear a seatbelt while the driver/car was being detained;  If the cop asked the passenger to submit their I.D. - Could the passenger have said "nope!"

Could this law have been made because of a few "rights educated" people have said "Nope, I don't have I.D. and I don't have to give you any!"

Next....

Quote:These passengers are now required to provide their name, address and date of birth to police for enforcement of a seatbelt violation.

What is a passenger? and is the passenger's rights being violated if the cop asks, then "Demands" to see their I.D.?
What can be said to basically tell the cop "you have no jurisdiction over me - have a nice day"

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Do I have to get the document/Book "Highway Traffic Act" to find the definition of the words "person/passenger/driver"

If I am a "passenger" not wearing the seatbelt;  what am I fighting?  Would I be fighting the "Highway Traffic Act"
Do I have to provide a cop with a registration card "License" - a person within the meaning of the act (artificial or representative thereof). 
Do I have to provide a cop with some sort of government I.D. card? - a person within the meaning of the act (artificial or representative thereof). 
Would it be better to just keep my mouth shut in silence?

If I have to fight the "Highway Traffic Act" then what words would I NOT say to the cop (Don't say this word or that word...etc) that would be evidence to fit words contained within an alleged offense "passenger not wearing seatbelt".

[NonEntity]

It's easy.  Any time someone with a gun comes up to you and threatens you, shoot it!  :winkwink:

- NonE

[damageinc.]

NonEntity Wrote:It's easy.  Any time someone with a gun comes up to you and threatens you, shoot it!   :winkwink:

- NonE

Shoot IT! Sounds like a righteous plan to me!

[eye2i2hear]

= "shoot" it, of course, of course... 


(give 'em that sort of "headache"...)

** "for educational purposes only" **

[Darren Dirt]

related:

I just emailed the following to someone... Thought it might stir up some cognitive dissonance (as she just told me yesterday she "paid the fee for a cat license, otherwise she could be fined $150.00"

subj: Question about cat license

license: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwlaw&q=license">http://dictionary.reference.com/search? ... &q=license</a><!-- m -->
-a right or permission granted by a competent authority (as of a government or a business) to engage in some business or occupation, do some act, or engage in some transaction which would be unlawful without such right or permission
-revocable authority or permission given solely to one having no possessory rights in a tract of land to do something on that land which would otherwise be unlawful or a trespass

right: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwlaw&q=right">http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwlaw&q=right</a><!-- m -->
-a power, privilege, or condition of existence to which one has a natural claim of enjoyment or possession

permission: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/permission">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/permission</a><!-- m -->
-Consent, especially formal consent; authorization, approval to do something



D, when you get a "cat license" doesn't that mean that the city government officials (i.e. real men and women, acting as "representatives of their constituents") are granting you some kind of power or privilege (i.e. owning a cat) that they claim to enjoy or possess naturally, but which you do not? Otherwise, how could they authorize/approve you to do something that would be "unlawful" without them giving you such right or permission? I am very confused.




related: see also...

representative: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwlaw&q=representative">http://dictionary.reference.com/search? ... esentative</a><!-- m -->
-one that represents a constituency as a member of a legislative or other governing body

authority: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwlaw&q=authority">http://dictionary.reference.com/search? ... =authority</a><!-- m -->
-a power to act esp. over others that derives from status, position, or office
-power and capacity to act granted by someone in a position of control, specifically: the power to act granted by a principal to his or her agent

agent: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwlaw&q=agent">http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwlaw&q=agent</a><!-- m -->
-a person or entity (as an employee or independent contractor) authorized to act on behalf of and under the control of another

principal: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwlaw&q=principal">http://dictionary.reference.com/search? ... =principal</a><!-- m -->
-one who engages another to act for him or her subject to his or her general control or instruction

constituent: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwlaw&q=constituent">http://dictionary.reference.com/search? ... onstituent</a><!-- m -->
-one who authorizes another to act as agent
-of, based on, or constituting a government in which the people are represented by individuals chosen from among them usually by election



This is very strange, since the "agent" acts in place of the "principal", and is under control of the principal, and can only act in ways on behalf of the principal that the principal could act on his/her own, as an individual.

So how does a government "official" attain the "right" to declare owning a cat "unlawful" (unless granted a permit from the government) when the "unlicensed" owner of the cat -- whom the official claims to represent and act on behalf of -- does not himself/herself possess that "right" over others? Hmmm...

[NonEntity]

Darren Dirt Wrote:This is very strange, since the "agent" acts in place of the "principal", and is under control of the principal, and can only act in ways on behalf of the principal that the principal could act on his/her own, as an individual.

We don't like your kind, Dirt!  We'll be keeping a REAL CLOSE EYE on you.

Do you have a PERMIT for that brain?

- NonE  :winkwink:

[eye2i2hear]

NonEntity Wrote:Do you have a PERMIT for that brain?

- NonE  :winkwink:

The State Of [img width=201 height=151]http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee1/drstrust/Ozdriverslicense.gif[/img]  Course

think about it... [img width=180 height=122]http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_home/the_wizard_of_oz/ray_bolger/wizardofoz1.jpg[/img] ??

:winkwink:

[edweird]

NonEntity Wrote:It's easy.  Any time someone with a gun comes up to you and threatens you, shoot it!  :winkwink:

- NonE

But don't you have to wait until they clear leather to get away with that? 

[NonEntity]

edweird Wrote:

NonEntity Wrote:It's easy.  Any time someone with a gun comes up to you and threatens you, shoot it!  :winkwink:

- NonE

But don't you have to wait until they clear leather to get away with that? 

So... what you are saying is that you let other people tell you what is the right and wrong way of living your life?  And these people have more authority over your choices and decisions because of ... why? 

Personally, if someone makes a clear and unambiguous threat on my life, I have no problem whatsoever with doing whatever is required to protect myself.  What choices that leaves open to me in this day and age and society and all are quite complex and I'm not sure how I would categorize them, but as to the right and wrong of it all, NOPE, I have no moral ambiguities in that regard.

I prefer to leave rattlesnakes alone to go about their own business.  But if one has me cornered it is most likely going to suffer for it.  Rattlesnake is actually quite tasty! 

- NonE

[steve]

Dynamo Joe Wrote:I recently renewed my vehicle license plate sticker.  In the letter there was this pamphlet folded up "

New "One Person" - One seatbelt law

Quote:The new "one person - one seatbelt" law requires every person in a vehicle to be properly secured by a seatbelt, child car/booster seat.  Drivers continue to be responsible for ensuring passengers under 16 yrs of age properly secured. 
Drivers convicted of a seatbelt/child seat violation will face a $110 fine and 2 demerit points on their driver record.

All passengers 16 yrs of age and older must ensure they sit in a seating position with an available seatbelt and wear the seatbelt properly.  Failure to do so will result in a $110 fine.  These passengers are now required to provide their name, address and date of birth to police for enforcement of a seatbelt violation.

I have some questions...
What is a "person"
What is a passenger?
What is a driver?

Prior to this act, if a passenger did not wear a seatbelt while the driver/car was being detained;  If the cop asked the passenger to submit their I.D. - Could the passenger have said "nope!"

Could this law have been made because of a few "rights educated" people have said "Nope, I don't have I.D. and I don't have to give you any!"

Next....

Quote:These passengers are now required to provide their name, address and date of birth to police for enforcement of a seatbelt violation.

What is a passenger? and is the passenger's rights being violated if the cop asks, then "Demands" to see their I.D.?
What can be said to basically tell the cop "you have no jurisdiction over me - have a nice day"

--------------------------
Do I have to get the document/Book "Highway Traffic Act" to find the definition of the words "person/passenger/driver"

If I am a "passenger" not wearing the seatbelt;  what am I fighting?  Would I be fighting the "Highway Traffic Act"
Do I have to provide a cop with a registration card "License" - a person within the meaning of the act (artificial or representative thereof). 
Do I have to provide a cop with some sort of government I.D. card? - a person within the meaning of the act (artificial or representative thereof).   
Would it be better to just keep my mouth shut in silence?

If I have to fight the "Highway Traffic Act" then what words would I NOT say to the cop (Don't say this word or that word...etc) that would be evidence to fit words contained within an alleged offense "passenger not wearing seatbelt".

Remaining silent will get you arrested, but you can win your case.