"It Hurts" -- by cult expert Jan Groenveld

[Darren Dirt]

...the following is very applicable to the cult of lego-politico-statism, and to those who recently "escaped" from it...

Quote:IT HURTS to discover you were deceived - that what you thought was the "one true religion," the "path to total freedom," or "truth" was in reality a cult.

IT HURTS when you learn that people you trusted implicitly - whom you were taught not to question - were "pulling the wool over your eyes" albeit unwittingly.

IT HURTS when you learn that those you were taught were your "enemies" were telling the truth after all -- but you had been told they were liars, deceivers, repressive, satanic etc and not to listen to them.

IT HURTS when you know your faith in God hasn't changed - only your trust in an organization - yet you are accused of apostasy, being a trouble maker, a "Judas". It hurts even more when it is your family and friends making these accusations.

IT HURTS to realize their love and acceptance was conditional on you remaining a member of good standing. This cuts so deeply you try and suppress it. All you want to do is forget - but how can you forget your family and friends?

IT HURTS to see the looks of hatred coming from the faces of those you love - to hear the deafening silence when you try and talk to them. It cuts deeply when you try and give your child a hug and they stand like a statue, pretending you aren't there. It stabs like a knife when you know your spouse looks upon you as demonised and teaches your children to hate you.

IT HURTS to know you must start all over again. You feel you have wasted so much time. You feel betrayed, disillusioned, suspicious of everyone including family, friends and other former members.

IT HURTS when you find yourself feeling guilty or ashamed of what you were - even about leaving them. You feel depressed, confused, lonely. You find it difficult to make decisions. You don't know what to do with yourself because you have so much time on your hands now - yet you still feel guilty for spending time on recreation.

IT HURTS when you feel as though you have lost touch with reality. You feel as though you are "floating" and wonder if you really are better off and long for the security you had in the organization and yet you know you cannot go back.

IT HURTS when you feel you are all alone - that no one seems to understand what you are feeling. It hurts when you realize your self confidence and self worth are almost non-existent.

IT HURTS when you have to front up to friends and family to hear their "I told you so" whether that statement is verbal or not. It makes you feel even more stupid than you already do - your confidence and self worth plummet even further.

IT HURTS when you realize you gave up everything for the cult - your education, career, finances, time and energy - and now have to seek employment or restart your education. How do you explain all those missing years?

IT HURTS because you know that even though you were deceived, you are responsible for being taken in. All that wasted time........ at least that is what it seems to you - wasted time.



THE PAIN OF GRIEF

Leaving a cult is like experiencing the death of a close relative or a broken relationship. The feeling is often described as like having been betrayed by someone with whom you were in love. You feel you were simply used.

There is a grieving process to pass through. Whereas most people understand that a person must grieve after a death etc, they find it difficult to understand the same applies in this situation. There is no instant cure for the grief, confusion and pain. Like all grieving periods, time is the healer. Some feel guilty, or wrong about this grief. They shouldn't -- It IS normal. It is NOT wrong to feel confused, uncertain, disillusioned, guilty, angry, untrusting - these are all part of the process. In time the negative feelings will be replaced with clear thinking, joy, peace, and trust.

YES - IT HURTS BUT THE HURTS WILL HEAL WITH TIME, PATIENCE & UNDERSTANDING

There is life after the cult.

Also applicable to statism, or more particularly STATISTS -- with just a few [slight modifications]...

Quote:The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV, currently DSM-IV-TR), a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others ... as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

-Failure to conform to social norms with respect to [rational, civilized] behaviors

-Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying ... or conning others for personal profit or pleasure

-Failure to plan ahead

-Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults

-Reckless disregard for safety of ... others

-Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to ... honor ... obligations

-Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

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:sigh:

[NonEntity]

Darren Dirt Wrote:...the following is very applicable to the cult of lego-politico-statism, and to those who recently "escaped" from it...

Quote:...

IT HURTS when you feel as though you have lost touch with reality. You feel as though you are "floating" and wonder if you really are better off and long for the security you had in the organization and yet you know you cannot go back.

IT HURTS when you feel you are all alone - that no one seems to understand what you are feeling. It hurts when you realize your self confidence and self worth are almost non-existent.

...

This basically sounds like the process of growing up.




And may I point to this article I wrote on the same subject. 

NonEntity on Strike-the-Root.com Wrote:...

Mr. Bush is not the buffoon.

The buffoon is he who believes in "the state," who believes that it is acceptable and proper for some people to control, direct, and subjugate others, himself included. Betrayed by his own foolish belief in the religion of state, he lashes out at those that he was corrupt enough to relinquish his power to--instead of standing up and taking responsibility for being rational.

Mr. Bush did not betray Mr. Olbermann; Mr. Olbermann betrayed Mr. Olbermann.
...

- NonE

[tru2form]

Hi DD,
Thanx for your thoughts. I do concur.
'the gold ring' which is the best illustration I have ever seen on this issue.
I am sure you and all others on this forum will relate, albeit shockingly, to the emotions described.
I don't think this 9minute film has missed anything at all.

Strap on your seatbelts - it's a wild (and personally enlightening) trip!

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(knowing smile)

tru

[Marc Stevens]

Welcome back mate. :wacky:

[Darren Dirt]

He tries to get out, AND WE KEEP PULLING HIM BACK IN!!!

[tru2form]

I'm not welcome anywhere else...

They think I'm a looney...

Thanx guys.

tru

[JeanW]

Ouch!!!  That really hit home!    :-[

My sister is one of those people with a very high IQ, who is so smart she is arrogant, and feels the need to control.  She's also one of those people who is too smart to listen to anyone else.  Hence, she thinks Bush is a great guy!  :rolleyes2:

I try to warn my family about what's going on, and my mother thinks I'm going over the deep-end.  Do I feel alone?   And yet, as it says, you can never go back!    Nor would I want to go back... ignorance is not bliss, its just being foolishly unprepared.

[Survivalgrandpa]

IT HURTS -

When a "cult expert" obviously doesn't even know the definition of 'cult'!

Why are you supporting the Federal Fraud?  They are the ones that want you to OUTLAW CULTS.

Why? ? ?

Read Webster's definition of cult.
  Any group that practices religious veneration.
Merriam-Webster's Desk Dictionary:
  1.  formal religious veneration  2.  a religious system  also  its adherents 3.  faddish devotion


NOW - Do you get it?

When 'everyone' agrees to outlaw cults  -  every church group in the UNITED STATES will be outlawed!

THAT is what the goal is.