True Confessions & "If We Were Free"

[Neo]

The below is a post DamageInc. caught just in time (before M deleted it) I think so revealing I wanted everyone to see it. It seems that sometimes people expose their true innner mindset the most in the posts they then quickly delete.  Can you catch all the fallacies within it?

I was thinking, a while back, to start a post called "If We Were Free," and thought it time to do so now.  In fact, I think I may have, but don't want to search for it right now.  If any of you want to take a stab at this, please add to my list starting in reply # 2, just below.

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Quote from: Malinson on September 24, 2007, 10:00:39 PM in the "Thread Ethics & Design"

I don’t understand why you want me to read all this material you shove in my face when you refuse to even  deal with the issue I put forth. All this locking and deleting is to me a red flag. If you think that I’m a government agent then your more misguided than I think.

Tell me, what is it you want that our current government is not allowing you to have? I look at my life and I’m living my dream. I got a good truck, a nice plane, and what else do I need? I see people like Marc being all upset but he makes good money on what he dose. He’s got a good show, a good following, nice house, hey he’s got it good.

Why can’t you all stop complaining and start living? We got a great country here that can use some help getting back on track. There’s a lot of problems but with the right motivation and unification I think we can salvage it.

As far a government agents patrolling this site, don’t believe it. Anarchism is a weak following that can never win the support it needs from the majority of the people. I know this because like me, they will have issues that they won't answer.

-Malinson

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Wasn't that just beautiful?  8)  Your thoughts, on the forum or by PM are most welcome.  For example, M calls deleting posted messages here a red flag, and yet M just did that, a whole bunch gone, poof, just like that.  So whose raising the red flag?

[Neo]

If We Were Free ...

1.  We wouldn't be forced into government schools to be brainwashed, as most have been.
2.  Have to pay taxes for wars we may not believe in.
3.  Respond to "jury duty summons" unless we chose to voluntarily.
4.  Could offer "legal advice" without commiting a "crime" because we're not members of a "bar" (unionized protection racket).
5.  Do any job we want without a so-called "license."  Certificates from training showing we've learned out stuff would be more than enough to persuade potential clients / customers.
6.  Wouldn't feel compelled to "vote" to keep a "greater evil" "leader" out of office / our lives.
7.  Would never have to "serve" in a war we don't believe in due to a "draft" (kidnapping).
8.  Could use anything we want as "money," e.g., "Liberty Dollars," etc., without having our private companies attacked with government initiated litigation.
9.  Could sell anything we want without having "government agencies" restrict our commerce.  Our clients would decide the value of our products and, if they don't like them, boycott us.
10. Wouldn't have to live with ridiculous contradictions like being legally allowed to "act" in a porn movie but we cannot live as "prostitutes" if we chose.  (For those into this -- I'm not.)
11. Could have multiple husbands or wives without being criminalized as "polygamists."
12. Could smoke or drink anything we want without having an armed raid on our house.
13. Wouldn't have to pay "real estate taxes" for things we don't even support, such as local government schools (especially when we may not even have kids in school!).
14. Wouldn't be tracked like animals by alleged protectors which function more like stalkers.  (See the essay "State Stalker" and FreeRadicals "Fed. Agent Cyber-Stalker" thread.)

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15. Could paint our house anyway we want without "zoning" restrictions getting in the way (when the home is not part of a home association, of course, which is different).
16. Could give our kids any form of private home schooling we want without having to have them pass some "government test" to prove we did an adequate job.
17. Could get a job, open a bank account, etc., without a Gov't ID/Social Insecurity Number.
18. Couldn't easily get a third or fourth party candidate running for office if we chose to participate in the scam called politics, without having to overcome the nearly impossible blocks to doing so.
19. Have to be multimillionaires just to have the extra money to pay for the ads to run for office.
20. Wouldn't have political "leaders" (rulers, really) forced on us at all, if we don't acknowledge illusions such as "citizenship," "political nations," etc..
21. Wouldn't have to fear agents invading our private lives in order to destroy them simply because we don't believe in them.
22. Could openly and publicly state our opposition to all-things-political with no fear of reprisal.
23.  Wouldn't be so naive as to waste even one second on people so "plugged into the Matrix" that they actually believe it is already the best of all possible worlds.
24. If we were strict patriots / constitutionalists, we could simply rely on our government's constitutions to show why this or that "law" we're being accussed of violating is in point of fact unconstitutional - and actually have the "judge" agree with us, instead of ignoring their own constitution whenever they want, and incarcerating us anyway, as has happened to so many "hardcore, sincere patriots."
25. Wouldn't have to face the prospect of having every aspect of our life being NOT PRIVATE thanks to the coming "spy chips" that agents want to place in everything" money, ID's, your body, every product we buy, etc..
26. Wouldn't have someone else's religion forced down our throats because they have legions of fanatics like them voting for a "leader" than we do.  (Think "stem cell research.")
27. Could sleep with anyone we want and call the relationship by any name we want without "legal restrictions," i.e., "government" would get out of "marriage" altogether.
28. If "straight," we wouldn't be forced to have "gay" teachers in the gov't schools our children are legally forced into, if we don't want.  If "gay," wouldn't be forced to not be able to apply for a job in certain gov't schools because the local parents think us unfit role models for their children.
29. Wouldn't have to accept other people's ideas of what is "politically correct" being forced on our kids in gov't schools.
30. Wouldn't have "cops" forced on us through "taxes."  We could hire our own protectors directly and privately (bodyguards), or protect ourselves / take our chances if we so choose.
31. Could hire/fire anyone we want for any reason at any time in companies we ourselves start without fear of litigation because we're not being fair by someone else's standards.
32. Could pay anyone we want to do a job without fear of litigation because we're not paying them enough or too much -- it'd be between us and our employees and no one else's businesses.
33. Wouldn't have someone else's idea of "justice" forced upon us by any "legal" system.  If we are victimized, we could chose to forgive our victimizer or punish them personally, or hire anyone we want to take care of it.  Vigilantism would be considered acceptable/normal.
34. Wouldn't have to pay for someone else's healthcare, retirement or kids, etc., through socialized medicine, social insecurity plans and any form of socialized taxation.
35. Could satirize/ridicule anything we want including religious, political or sexual beliefs or practices with no fear of being murdered for alleged sacriledge aka offending others feelings, in other words, we could exercise freedom of speech inside our own fence without limitation.
36. Wouldn't have to choose which gov't we have to be a "citizen" of.  We would be FREE.

In sum, "everyone leaves everyone else alone," to quote Clint Eastwood, and so relations become voluntary, by conscious willful choice, not by political violence, coercion, fraud, etc..

... and on and on and on and on ... a book could cover every item we can think of.

"Agents," don't bother replying.  This thread isn't for you.  I ignore your posts like they're not there, unless someone like damageinc puts them before me, and I suggest others do the same.  If you never want to do some reading of the list that's been "shoved in your face," don't.  Just keep on "living your dream," however you define that.  That's your right, and I hope you enjoy your entire life, on your terms. Everyone deserves that much freedom.

"Have you ever had a dream, Neo, you were so sure was real - what if you were unable to awake from that dream?  How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?" - Morpheus, The Matrix

[damageinc.]

25. Own and park a tank in MY YARD if I want. And I want ;D
26. Go out to my mail box and not see USPS on it or in it.
27. drive anywhere I want without being FORCED to pay a @%#&$*!#@ toll to a troll.
28. Have Marc come to my hood without getin rolled by the TSA
29. NO PLATES on MY CAR!
30. Be able to park MY RV in MY driveway!
31.Get a noise supressor for my handgun so I can shoot targets (paper) in MY back yard.
32. Buy ANY type of weapon I want without an F-B-I background check to DEFEND me an mine.
33. Drive what ever speed I deem proper with having respect for other peoples lives and property knowing my and my cars limits 
34.Going anywhere I want without being asked for "ID".
35. Freedom from religious oppression i.e. STATISM
TBC

[Neo]

Disclaimer: I don't necessarily agree or disagree with suggestions made here by others regarding what freedoms they'd enjoy "if we were free."  I only want to see what others are thinking.

Everyone, please also add WHY you list an item if it doesn't speak for itself.

Newbies, if this list of stuff doesn't speak to you and or you're unwilling to read, view, do any of the stuff I sugggest in my WAKE UP thread to learn/understand the WHY behind the WHAT ---

YOU'VE COME TO THE WRONG PLACE. GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM ON OR OFF THE NET.

Many here are hardcore do-ers, not just dreamers or talkers.  The odds of you talking us out of our path to increase human freedom in this world are very small, though you're FREE to try.

[Free Radical]

Freedom in a nutshell:

The right to pay the full cost of my actions, and the responsibility to accept such payment from others.

[Neo]

FR, some examples please re: full cost paying and accepting, etc..

[Free Radical]

It is all-encompassing.

[Neo]

Just one, to clarify the terms/phrases therein.  "Right to pay" ... "responsibility to accept."  Is it an original sentence?  If not, where did you get it?  Maybe they offer examples / clarification on the net?

[Neo]

Got the message below the dashed line from another member bebunking the "true confession" found at the start of this thread, which I thought worth posting as a type of "reality check":

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I love this:

"Tell me, what is it you want that our current government is not allowing you to have? I look at my life and I'm living my dream. I got a good truck, a nice plane, and what else do I need?"

Okay, well his dreams are small. Some people are easy to please.

As for me, I can't build an addition on my house without government approval;

Cannot market an automobile without anti-lock brakes, seat belts and a host of other "safety" features -- not that safety features are bad, but if someone wants to trade the higher risk of a McAutomobile without the fancy schmancy stuff in exchange for a lower price (and probably suffer the higher insurance rates that will likely come with that decision, or even be allowed the risk of not being insured at all, as "bad" as that may seem), that should be one's own business and one should be prepared to live with any responsibility that comes from those decisions;

I can't own a gun without government permission, which is an infringement of my right to choose how I will defend myself anywhere in this so-called "country", and even when I have their blessing, I am still denied my right to protect myself in certain places.

Deaf?
Dumb?
Blind?

I don't know. Maybe it's "All of the Above" because any one of us on this forum could come up with a long laundry list of things we are not allowed to have or do, in spite of the fact that this ignoramus can't even grasp the idea that if there were any legitimacy to government at all, there would be no question about what we are "allowed" to do as long as we're not blatantly harming others by our actions.

As Larken Rose wrote recently: "As long as we have our couches and our TVs, we will do nothing about tyranny in this land. So long as we are enslaved in comfort, we do not resist." [... let alone SEE that tyranny. I think that sums up malinson's mindset or point of view perfectly.]

[Darren Dirt]

Alex Jones [grain of salt warning] has often said that the New World Order (etc.) are so easily able to dupe and control and calm the masses because there is an ever-increasing array of choices available to keep them

FAT
DUMB
and HAPPY

Marc and many others have helped work on #2,

#3 is exclusionary to knowing what's REALLY going on in the world (haha, only partially joking, but the phrase "ignorance is bliss" certainly has some truth to it...)

and I'm working on #1 thanks to all the help in the "alternative health/medicine" thread ;D


PS: If we were free, we'd be able to procreate and carry on the next generation without being "required" to "register" (and therefore NUMBER!) our newborns.

[Neo]

We need to make money and buy land to create a voluntary world within it.  Some island.

[Lummox3]

If only. The place would get nuked the second it showed promise.

"The threat of a good example."

[Marc Stevens]

Yeah, with Faux News leading the way.  They'd be "reporting" how on an island, bought by radical anti-government extremists, were intent on getting nuclear technology and attack the USA because they hate the freedoms Americans have.

And they would attack, remember, the people who control the government believe taxes should be paid for 10 years after expatriation.  Never forget, countries are invaded to "protect American interests" abroad.  Just try and get the pentagon shills in the media to actually define what they mean by "American interests".  You'll have better luck finding out who owns the FED.

[NonEntity]

Neo Wrote:We need to make money and buy land to create a voluntary world within it.  Some island.

Been there, done that.  Lummox is spot on.

- NonE 

P.S.  Especially since you've vocally and profanely promised to never read nor respond to anything I write, please stop Private Messaging me as I have no desire to correspond with you.

[damageinc.]

NonEntity Wrote:

Neo Wrote:We need to make money and buy land to create a voluntary world within it.  Some island.

Been there, done that.  Lummox is spot on.

- NonE 

"We", are definitely better off spread out, A much harder target to hit. And takes up much more of "there" resources and man power to do anything. 8)