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zonsb · 12-22-2011, 06:34 PM

Earlier today I was imagining a judge as he enters a courtroom filled with civil-disobedient people that when it's announced for everyone to stand for the judge entering the room, everyone remains seated.

Watching the below video I think of addressing the judge by his first name. Knocking out from under him one leg of a three-legged stool. If ever there was a segment of society that was at the whim and need of approval from others, ie., external authorities, it's judges.

You and I Bob, we're equals. Except unlike you I don't need to put on a facade/appearance that I'm better than anyone else -- I have no need for anyone to stand up when I enter a room, so how about it Bob, shall we get on with it?

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Jace: Johanson · 12-22-2011, 07:47 PM

I read this book. It's really good.

zonsb · (This post was last modified: 12-23-2011 07:03 AM by zonsb.)

(12-22-2011 07:47 PM)Jace: Johanson Wrote: I read this book. It's really good.

I haven't read the book but have read most of his website. Just yesterday I came upon his many videos at YouTube.

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Jace: Johanson · 12-24-2011, 06:29 PM

Yeah. It's a great work, in my lay estimation. It's such a disgusting disorder, if you've ever been personally misfortunate enough to suffer a close relationship with someone who's actually a narcissist. I think it was in his book, but there's a difference between full-on Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Style. Basically, Style means that they managed to retain some sense of core self, but are still deeply damaged and damaging to those around them. NPD is full-on self-lessness and vampiric destruction of any and everyone, but children most of all. Narcissists are about the only case of disorder where I could entertain the idea of just shooting them, because they'll turn even their therapist into another victim (if the therapist isn't skilled enough, which most aren't), and they consume children and create more narcissists that way. Therapists HATE trying to treat a narcissist. I understand why, entirely.

NonEntity · 12-24-2011, 08:35 PM

(12-22-2011 07:47 PM)Jace: Johanson Wrote: I read this book. It's really good.

I'm not seeing any link to a book. What book?

- NonE

Jace: Johanson · 12-28-2011, 01:52 AM

It's in the caption on the video. The book is "Malignant Self-Love."

NonEntity · 12-28-2011, 10:08 AM

(12-28-2011 01:52 AM)Jace: Johanson Wrote: It's in the caption on the video. The book is "Malignant Self-Love."

Thanks!

- NonE

eye2i2hear · (This post was last modified: 12-28-2011 01:59 PM by eye2i2hear.)

(12-28-2011 10:08 AM)NonEntity Wrote:
(12-28-2011 01:52 AM)Jace: Johanson Wrote: It's in the caption on the video. The book is "Malignant Self-Love."

Perhaps a(nother) good place to suggest another (a counter-balance-seeker)?
Max Stirner's The Individual And It's Own (aka The Ego And His Own)

[caveat: not to imply I've read the Vaknin book; rather, simply an anticipatory read between the lines here?]

NonEntity · 12-28-2011, 02:14 PM

(12-28-2011 01:52 AM)Jace: Johanson Wrote: It's in the caption on the video. The book is "Malignant Self-Love."

I'm not saying anything definitive here, just want to point out an issue I have. This guy Sam V. is a self-proclaimed Narcissist and also supposedly an expert on narcissism. From one perspective that makes sense. "It takes one to know one," and all that. But considering that narcissism is complete self-centeredness, how can one believe anything that comes from the mouth of a narcissist? This has me wondering. I happen to know at least one narcissist well, and Sam's material confirms my experience, but still. A narcissist will say anything that will "feed" him (causes you to bow and scrape in worship of the total wonderfulness of the narcissist), which means, basically, that you can't trust them at all. Perhaps what is the "truth" is also something that "feeds" the narcissist. Good, you're able to "trust" that, right? That makes sense, but the point is, HOW DO YOU KNOW?

Of course, the same question can probably be applied to all of the rest of the human community as well, and there may be a lesson IN THAT.

I don't know. I'm just pointing out a conundrum I see.

- NonE

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Jonathanr · 12-28-2011, 03:32 PM

Well, now you know the formula, you can calculate the truth. Yes?

NonEntity · 12-28-2011, 03:47 PM

(12-28-2011 03:32 PM)Jonathanr Wrote: Well, now you know the formula, you can calculate the truth. Yes?

To whom is that directed, and what is it spozed to mean?

- NonE

Jace: Johanson · 12-28-2011, 04:26 PM

When I read the book I had the same thoughts. I still do, really. What I suppose is he's one of the fortunate few who were able to recognize that they have aproblem. Most narcissists are practically a lost cause, but there are some who are treated skillfully enough that they can acknowledge the core of shame they are built around, and sort of shore it up with more healthy thinking partterns.

I can't say whether this author actually did that. As far as I remember, I think he claims to have realized it himself. Either way, I know from personal experience that the most effective way of defending against narcissists is first knowing that they really are this sick and then how their minds "work." He offers quite a lot of value in this sector. I've come to imagine that he's learned to manage the old impulses with the notoriety of being an author, while at the same time being healed and comforted by the idea that he's actually helping people with the book.

Pure speculation, really. But I've seen the benefit of his work in my own life as well. Doesn't seem as destructive a narcissistic behavior as what they more usually get up to. [Shrug]