newbee from Illinois, needs help

[eye2i2hear]

(03-02-2012 06:05 PM)NonEntity Wrote:  ... you've had me confused ...

atta boy, blame yet something ELSE on me.



--idivisiviz

[NonEntity]

(03-02-2012 06:58 PM)eye2i2hear Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 06:05 PM)NonEntity Wrote:  ... you've had me confused ...

atta boy, blame yet something ELSE on me.



--idivisiviz

You're such a cute target with those great big pink ears and those cool shades. What can I do?

- NonE


HEY! Sumbody stole my OPUS! Is NOTHING sacred around here? NOTHING???????

[gearheadmm]

Hey Marc, where can I get the book? Mail a check/cash or phone in credit card? I would like to see that doc edited down a bit myself, I think it does have merit. I was thinking about filing that edited doc and a request for disclosure for the in car video if they don't dismiss just to let them know that I'm gonna be a total pain in the ass and still have something to fall back on. And still hit them with the standing/impeach witlless, and conflict. The police dept. I am dealing with hasn't been writing many tickets because of labor issues, very few in court. The first words out of judges mouth was that all constitutional rights apply in his courtroom, very layed back. But most entering his courtroom weren't very bright. If I get my way we might be back under constitutional law by the time this gets back to court!!!

[Pete in Wisconsin]

Dear Newbee Gearhead from Illinois:

I used Marc's system in Cook County, Illinois. All went well until I missed appeal deadline (thought they were going to mail me something first, but they didn't).

Having been through this a little, here is what I would do:

1) Figure out how much money you are willing to pay. In my case I ended up spending a several hundred bucks to fight a $150 ticket, lost, plus ended up paying ticket plus court fees in the end. Had to pay to keep my commercial license. Still glad I did it, I learned a ton, changed my reality system in a great way, and I feel pretty confident that I will be invincible next time. However, in pure economic terms, it was a horrible train wreck, probably over $500, several days prep time, all day in court/ driving 320 miles round trip to court, etc. Financially, I would have been better off making a deal with DA, even though she is a #@%!! evil bureaucrat.

2) I would buy Marc's book, plus motion to dismiss template. $40 total I think.

3) File Marc's motion to dismiss, and there is a 75% chance cop will not show up at trial and the game is over. However, you have to show up and be totally prepared and ready to do battle in case he does show up. You'll need all paperwork ready (copy of ticket, unsigned guilty plea, list of questions, etc.) and be well rehearsed. Copy of motion must be mailed/delivered to DA when you file it with clerk of court.

4) Marc's scripts are great educational tools, but frankly they contain too much and are in a confusing order. Probably hard for a Yoda-level Jedi like Marc to understand the pathetic, weak minds of Noobs like us! Script would be much better if they were divided into 3 different colored sections of which questions you should ask of DA, Judge, and COP. Plus, you probably won't get a chance to ask all the questions. All you need to know and rehearse is the cross examination of cop, "did you file a valid cause of action," and be ready to reply to DA's objection "calls for legal conclusion" with your reply "objection, move to strike all of witness testimony including written testimony in the form of this ticket." Watch Marc's youtube vid "impeach witness" and rehearse like crazy.

5) Judge will not dismiss, and you will have to appeal. This cost $120 in my case. This money is non-refundable even if you win or lose. Appeal MUST BE FILED PROMPTLY, between 7 to 30 days depending on jurisdiction (find out online by searching online "rules of procedure" for your area). Copy of Appeal must be mailed/delivered to DA. BTW: you're up to at least $160 at this point, plus a lot of time. This why you need to know how much you're willing to pay upfront.

6) After appeal is filed, you will receive NO REPLY from the government. You will have no way of knowing if they got your papers other than seeing the check cleared the bank. HOWEVER, THERE IS ANOTHER TIMECLOCK RUNNING AT THIS POINT: YOU MUST PROMPTLY FILE BRIEFS (again, see online "rules of procedure" for your area). This is where I messed up by not filing briefs on time. I thought they were going to send me a written confirmation that appeal was in process along with the court transcripts I requested and paid for. I got jack squat and my appeal was thrown out. Maybe you are supposed to file briefs with appeal?

Do all this, and you will probably win in the end. Also, you probably want to hire Marc for a one-hour consultation at the point where you file appeal/briefs.

I think Marc's system is excellent, and I think it gave me a teflon coating for future bumps with the violent, phoney state. Just beware that the first time through is confusing, stressful, and expensive.

Oh, when you go to first administrative pre-trial B.S. hearing, DON'T ENTER PLEA! Just state repeatedly that you do not understand the nature of the proceedings. This is where you might be able to question judge a little about who he represents, getting a fair trial, etc., but doing so is only for your own entertainment and education value; He'll end up entering a plea of "NOT GUILTY' eventually anyway. Then go to step 3 above.

I might be available as a media rep at your trial, and I would love to help you rehearse before your trial. I live near Baraboo, Wisconsin. Keep me posted!

Good luck!

Pete in Wisconsin

[eye2i2hear]

Pete,

What a really thoughtful and informative (if not powerful) post! I'll give it my rating here: Excellent!

Just a couple of personal nuances: I immensely appreciate what you've emphasized regarding the literal $ and time costs, but there are the "other" costs --those of not doing something, at least, to counter this Hydra and Pandora's Box called The State; and that's countering it both in the individual (specific judge) sense and the collective (societal) sense. I won't go into that here, other than to express to you my appreciation to you for your willingness to both count your literal costs, but especially to choose to 'pay' it (forward) to us all (and to our posterity). [see for example, your: "she is a #@%!! evil bureaucrat", and ask if folks continue to go along with it, how likely that is to change, etc]

The only other bit I'd like to touch upon, goes along with what you touch on in a couple of places, one specifically being: "only for your own ... education value". I've heard Marc note several times on the No State Project show, that generally you'll only get a couple of minutes, if that, of time to ask Script questions. Thus, the more crucial aspect of having ALL the questions is not that you'll have or need to ask them ALL, but rather, that in having them all, you can be sure you understand them all. Thus indeed, it's an educational process more than a practical one. And an education on how many ways They are contradicting themselves, in Their own words. And which ones are the most personal for you, thus the more likely to be taken as sincere and genuine by those witnessing your "case".
I might add too, that working through the learning process in this regard includes consideration of dealing with your emotions in advance, so that when you do confront these thugs masquerading as "fair and impartial", you can have the inclination to laugh at Them in their sad delusion, rather than be tempted or inclined to be sucked into their serious persona and get angry and wish to preach or rage.

Again, I genuinely and sincerely appreciate both your post and your chosen path; both of which I see as admirable and honorable sacrifices. Keep up the "good fight" valuable resistance. And to all, I can only hope my remarks are half as helpful as Pete's; if not, then just stick to Pete's post!

--eye2i2hear

ps: Pete, I like the idea you mention about having the Script questions color-coded; along that line, while I can appreciate having a Jedi-warrior do the sorting and such for us (ie Marc do it in advance), perhaps the more valuable means is to have each of us do that for ourselves? fwiw, I know I have, and keep, my working list in which I often find myself either shifting specific questions to specific categories, or duplicating them in more than one, often being purely on my continued understanding of both the questions but also the overall System.

[gearheadmm]

I have already written a "script" from utube just like you said. I didn't know it cost as much as the ticket to file an appeal. Am rethinking how far I want to go. Where to find template and book? Great post and much appreciated! I'm thinking the best way to handle this is to file the motion to dismiss and disclosure for the video (last resort) and use script, if no dismissal pay it and get out. My license isn't in jeopardy. Thanks again!!

[eye2i2hear]

(03-19-2012 05:52 PM)gearheadmm Wrote:  Where to find template and book?

MSN main website. (see "Store")

Send Marc Stevens an email.

[Pete in Wisconsin]

That sounds like a great strategy: buy book and motion dismiss template, prepare for court, hope cop doesn't show up, but be prepared to cross examine him on "valid cause of action" if he does show up.

Marc recommends that after you file motion to dismiss, you mail an extra copy directly to cop at the same time you mail the required copy to the DA.

I bought templates and books from Marc's online store. He also trades for silver, and is really great about making the deal even better for you if you decide to go that route.

I only know what the appeal cost me. Maybe its less in your area. BEWARE: every time I called and asked how much it cost and how to file appeal, a different Cook County Clerk's office employee gave me a different answer!

I was told the following 5 answers:

1) No appeal is available, only an administrative hearing
2) We don't give legal advice, call a lawyer
3) $100
4) $120
5) Let me transfer your call to someone else who doesn't know who will eventually transfer your call back to me

Unlike voluntary businesses on the free market, these people seem to have absolutely ZERO incentive to help you with your case.

Yeah, its not cheap to appeal, but in many cases it is worth it if losing your license is at stake, or if car insurance will go up a lot due to conviction on record.

I still think Marc Stevens is a bargain because after your first time through court, you have all the papers and info you need to fight these violent thugs forever for almost free.

You might be able to request free appeal and other no-cost services from court, but this involves proving you are a poor person to the judge. Never did this but I heard about it on rule of law radio, There's a fancy latin name for this...something-er-other pauperis. "Pleading poverty" maybe?

I'd really like to be a media rep for your trial if I'm available. If you ever want to rehearse cross examination over phone, send me a direct message through forum to request my phone number.

Good luck!

Pete

[gearheadmm]

(03-20-2012 08:58 PM)Pete in Wisconsin Wrote:  I'd really like to be a media rep for your trial if I'm available. If you ever want to rehearse cross examination over phone, send me a direct message through forum to request my phone number.

Wow, is it worth driving down from Wi., not that I wouldn't appreciate it. The next court date is May 2, 9:00 am. You might want to review this thread...http://marcstevens.net/board/showthread.php?tid=3180... to see if you want to get involved with a nutjob like me before you decide, lol. Unless that's why you did, lol. Like I said earlier in this thread things are happening, that's why the long continuance. We might be under constitutional law after the arrests. Let's hope, or better "know" it's gonna happen and see in April! Many Thanks Again!!!
PS. I got silver!!! inst mess Marc, no reply yet. I had seen the template, and copied it, that you linked to, what is to buy?

[Habenae Est Dominatus]

(03-19-2012 08:33 AM)Pete in Wisconsin Wrote:  Dear Newbee Gearhead from Illinois:



I might be available as a media rep at your trial, and I would love to help you rehearse before your trial. I live near Baraboo, Wisconsin. Keep me posted!

Good luck!

Pete in Wisconsin

I'm about halfway 'tween the two of you. I'd like to learn by observing. If nothing else, I offer my fortified compound as a water stop for the journey.

[Pete in Wisconsin]

I think Marc's usual system would work easily for your situation because your so-called "crime" had no victim, and caused no injury to anyone. No valid cause of action, no corpus dilecti, so therefore no justiciable case or controversy for judge to hear.

Did I read somewhere that you are unemployed and a little tight on cash? I'm pretty sure you can do appeal for free if you can demonstrate your poverty to the Judge. I don't know how to do this, so call your local clerk of courts office where trial will be held and ask. Part of the B.S. public relations scam of the violent courts is to pretend they are there to help everyone, even the poor. Take advantage of this bad acting if you can!

I always contacted Marc via e-mail marcstevens@marcstevens.net

You can call into his radio show today (Saturday) and get some free info. If you call in, please keep your cop/ticket story short and concise. No one cares where you were coming from, where you were going, or what the cop said. Just the charge, civil or criminal (should be on ticket), trial date, and trial location. Marc will ask any other questions.

If I am around during your trial, I would love to make the drive and be a media rep. I want to get my teenage kids into court a few times to show them first-hand the B.S. scam called courts.

Also, you need to rehearse cross exam like a hundred times at least. Don't wait until the last minute... START NOW! I know it sounds easy to do, but you will be nervous, and the judge and DA will be rude, constantly interrupting you with objections, and possibly shouting and threatening you while fifty or so people in the court room are watching you. A lot of really smart, confident people have cracked and screwed up under the pressure their first time. Even Armondo, who is a freaking Obi-Wan to Marc's Yoda sounded like a nervous Jar-Jar his first time confronting the man!

[gearheadmm]

Cool, will keep an eye out on this thread. Lets see what happens after the first of the month. :exclamation: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/03/m...clamation: H.E.D. is welcome too. Ordering Marcs book soon. Judge was very polite but the DA is a ______! Yes I was nervous.

[Pete in Wisconsin]

Wow, I thought I was completely alone in the Northern Sector of the slave plantation! Nice to know there's a free mind nearby. Thanks for the H2O offer at your fortified compound! Happy to give you a ride to/from trial if this all works out.

-Pete

[gearheadmm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZgsRt8P...e=youtu.be

[Kel]

(03-23-2012 04:50 PM)gearheadmm Wrote:  If I get 3 persons that don't think this is relevant... I'll quit posting this sh!t until after the arrests. SAY THE WORD!!!

(03-24-2012 12:49 PM)Dionysus Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 07:41 PM)NonEntity Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 05:57 PM)eye2i2hear Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 04:50 PM)gearheadmm Wrote:  If I get 3 persons that don't think this is relevant...
... I'll quit posting this sh!t

I don't (for 1).
count: 1 of 3 requested.

I don't (for 1).
count: 2 of 3 requested.

I don't.
count: 3 of 3 requested

(03-24-2012 02:34 PM)gearheadmm Wrote:  WORD...OUT!See you after the ARRESTS!!!

(03-30-2012 01:11 PM)gearheadmm Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZgsRt8P...e=youtu.be

...interesting

(03-24-2012 02:22 PM)NonEntity Wrote:  Anyone care for a wager? I bet he can't help but continue to evangelize.

-NonE

Good thing I'm not a gambling man.




-NonE-Prime