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02-17-2012, 04:57 PM

Hi guys, Noob here. Got railroaded on my last ticket, called IDOT and got the traffic signal fixed before court and once since then and will keep doing it to mess up their scam. They knew I was pissed. They were very nice but still robbed me. I ran across Marc on utube and remembered it. Been poking around here some since getting another ticket. NEED HELP!!! A cop suckered me into turning left in front of him, by sleeping at a light after it changed to green, and got charged with failure to yield turning left. The local, western Chicago suburb, city ordinance is 27/3-state law adopted. Complaintant is "City of" The state law is...(625 ILCS 5/11-902) 11-902. Vehicle turning left.
The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left within an intersection or into an alley, private road, or driveway shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle approaching from the opposite direction which is so close as to constitute an immediate hazard, but said driver, having so yielded may proceed at such time as a safe interval occurs. I need some help with filing a motion to dismiss for lack of standing. Got a basic idea from Marc's template but need some help with the language. Is there a pdf or link that would help a noob? I also want to file a demurrer and demand for a verifed complaint, from the "Had an unbelievablely honest experience in court last week" thread. Did the "courtesy warning" help??? The court date is 2/29/12 at the city courthouse and I am not ready to deal with these guys, will get continuance to "seek legal council", better idea? I have seen others do the "not boarding the ship" and claiming I am not the (all caps, corp) person but the natural person approach, is this not a good way to go about it? You loose certain (comon law) rights by boading the ship right? Is bailiffs jurisdiction limited to "the ship"? Every time I do research I find that if you plea to a charge you give up rights. How do you get around this? They usually insist that you do. If this goes to trial is requesting the police car video to show that I did not "constitute an immediate hazard" a good last ditch option after standing, impeaching witless, and conflict? I am unemployed and don't have the money but do have the TIME!!! THANKS FOR ANY HELP!!! GREAT SITE!

NonEntity · 02-17-2012, 06:15 PM

Hi GearHead,

Welcome to the Forum!

(02-17-2012 04:57 PM)gearheadmm Wrote: Every time I do research I find that if you plea to a charge you give up rights. How do you get around this? They usually insist that you do. If this goes to trial is requesting the police car video to show that I did not "constitute an immediate hazard" a good last ditch option after standing, impeaching witless, and conflict? I am unemployed and don't have the money but do have the TIME!!! THANKS FOR ANY HELP!!! GREAT SITE!

I know you said you're unemployed, but I suggest you buy Marc's book. It's only $20, I think, delivered, and it will be small change compared to what other costs you may incur.

Regarding your question above that I have quoted, Marc suggests that you go into court with an unsigned guilty plea so that the "court" cannot say you have no intent to plea. You tell the "judge" that you intend to plea, but that you first have a few questions as you are not a lawyer and don't fully understand. THEN you proceed to use Marc's methods to get them to hang themselves.

I wish you the very best of luck with this. Buy the book, also there is a WIKI with some small amount of reference material you may want to look at.

- NonE

gearheadmm · (This post was last modified: 02-21-2012 04:49 PM by gearheadmm.)

Didn't know Marc had a book. Cool, where to get with a phone and credit card? Any help with other questions would be appreciated Wouldn't you want an unsigned NOT guilty plea?

notavoter · (This post was last modified: 02-21-2012 05:05 PM by notavoter.)

Hi gearheadmm, Showing an unsigned plea of guilty helps set them up in your favor. You want to maintain a very non combative demeanor. This is the reason for the unsigned GUILTY plea.

NonEntity · 02-21-2012, 04:59 PM

(02-21-2012 04:47 PM)gearheadmm Wrote: Didn't know Marc had a book. Cool, where to get with a phone and credit card? Any help with other questions would be appreciated Wouldn't you want an unsigned NOT guilty plea?

It doesn't matter, since you're not going to sign it! If you don't want to buy the book from Marc through his site, maybe Amazon? I don't know. I DO know he's stopped taking PreyPal. I bet a $20 frn in the mail would work.

Or try rattling his cage at: Marcstevens AT mail DOT com I hear he responds to offers of food. Barbell plates, too.

- NonE

Kel · 02-21-2012, 06:26 PM

(02-21-2012 04:59 PM)NonEntity Wrote: Or try rattling his cage at: Marcstevens AT mail DOT com I hear he responds to offers of food. Barbell plates, too.

- NonE

Hahaha. Zing! I liked that one.

-NonE-Prime

gearheadmm · (This post was last modified: 03-02-2012 03:53 PM by gearheadmm.)

Hey guys, Got a continuance till may 2. They have changed some things around since I've been to court. It is an administrative civil court. There is NO way to get the officer in front of the judge without a not guilty plea that I can see. Now what??? I have not pleaded. I would really like someone to review this doc from the "had an honest day in court" thread!!! Will it work in an administrative civil court? I think it needs a little tweaking but has some merit. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!![attachment=40]

***Marc Stevens*** · 02-29-2012, 06:05 PM

(02-29-2012 04:41 PM)gearheadmm Wrote: Hey guys, Got a continuance till may 2. They have changed some things around since I've been to court. It is an administrative civil court. There is NO way to get the officer in front of the judge without a not guilty plea that I can see. Now what??? I have not pleaded. I would really like someone to review this doc from the "had an honest day in court" thread!!! Will it work in an administrative civil court? I think it needs a little tweaking but has some merit. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

It's pretty long, that is my 1st problem with it. Problem with using lot's of legal issues is there are usually opposing ones. Everyone is right, the one's with the gun wins.

I don't have much time, one particular issue is the part where you assert the complainant may not be a witness. I don't think this is accuarate. If I punch you in the face, you may sue and are both complainant and witness.

ILeagle · (This post was last modified: 03-01-2012 12:01 PM by ILeagle.)

Also, in Illinois, I believe that it should be a motion to dismiss, rather than a demurrer - even though it does the same thing. I work around there and it does not suprise me to hear what they did to you.
Edit -- I see that you are using a TACTIKALGUY1 template which is why its probably set upt as a demurrer.

gearheadmm · 03-01-2012, 05:08 PM

(02-29-2012 06:05 PM)Marc Stevens Wrote: It's pretty long, that is my 1st problem with it. Problem with using lot's of legal issues is there are usually opposing ones. Everyone is right, the one's with the gun wins.

I don't have much time, one particular issue is the part where you assert the complainant may not be a witness. I don't think this is accuarate. If I punch you in the face, you may sue and are both complainant and witness.

I don't think it needs to be that long either, but in any tactical situation I like to have as much ammo as possible! The ticket had two choices for complaintant, officer checked the box for "city of" as opposed to the "state of Ill". Where to find your book???

ILeagle · (This post was last modified: 03-02-2012 11:14 AM by ILeagle.)

Sometimes precision tools are more effective than spray and pray.
Its more for you to research, remember and defend it all - but whatever you feel comfortable with.
I've been to court, and simpler is way better in my experience. It makes it harder for them to ignore what you give them.

Marc's book is AWESOME, but for some strange reason, you will probably read it multiple times.

eye2i2hear · 03-02-2012, 11:38 AM

(03-02-2012 11:13 AM)ILeagle Wrote: Marc's book is AWESOME, but for some strange reason, you will probably read it multiple times.

classic!

and agreed.
(noting, I'm actually unsure if it was typed as actually thought/intended...?)

my copy is multi-highlighted, multi-bookmarked, and ever close at hand.

gearheadmm · 03-02-2012, 04:10 PM

(03-02-2012 11:13 AM)ILeagle Wrote: Sometimes precision tools are more effective than spray and pray.
Marc's book is AWESOME, but for some strange reason, you will probably read it multiple times.

I'm all about precision but still like to have a lot of ammo. Eventually you'll find something they can't get around. If the book is worth reading multiple times I want it.

eye2i2hear · (This post was last modified: 03-02-2012 06:56 PM by eye2i2hear.)

(03-02-2012 04:10 PM)gearheadmm Wrote: ... If the book is worth reading multiple times I want it.

It likely depends at least a tad to how familiar you are with two aspects, 1.) the illusion that's called The State, and 2.) the specifics of the Legal System. Marc's book for me regarding the first aspect was merely a second witness, a most welcome find. Akin to saying "Whew, at last, somebody else sees it for what it isn't, but for what They are!" It was ground breaking regarding the second (because I was such a noob to the specific mechanix <-yeah, a bit of a play on the matrix).

As far as reading it more than once, for me that's as much a part of memorization (of legal premises/quotes) and assimilation into a working knowledge, as anything.
I have no qualms with saying it's "must read!" at least once.

[disclaimer: like there'd be any thought of such, but "no" eye2i is not a pseudonym of Marc's, and "no" I get not compensation from book sales; however folks acting upon the book's insights may def lead to me being rewarded, personally!]

NonEntity · 03-02-2012, 06:05 PM

(03-02-2012 06:02 PM)eye2i2hear Wrote: ..."no" eye2i is not a pseudonym of Marc's...

WHAT? All these years you've had me confused? DAMN man, you're GOOD!

- NonE