Mortgage balance on estate, Can A4V work in Quebec?

[bruce.Codere]

Hi folks, I have about a month before the completion of the transfer of title in the sale of my parent's estate. I've been researching law as much as possible in the last few months looking for what is possible to accomplish to keep the government and bank away from the estate.

I know I need to do my own research, so does anyone have experience with A4V in Quebec, which is Civil, and where it's an Hypotheque, which is not quite a mortgage, but I've hit a bit of a wall.

I'm also planning on not registering the new to me used car paid in cash I'll buy in the coming weeks. That I can probably deal with given what I know so far.

The CIBC bank is the institution that wants the balance on the hypoteque, which is fine if I can't start anything really fast. So as executor of the estate, is there a way to use A4V here? I'd really appreciate some feedback. This is pretty stressful, because it's a fair chunk of change the de facto gov't and banks want, and I need way more knowledge to manage this properly.

Thanks.

[NonEntity]

No, kiddies, an A4V is not a strange and obscure model of Fiat with steering on all four wheels. It's something much stranger. So strange in fact that after I read this entire website about it I have gone back to hoping it was the Fiat. At least there is a possibility I could someday learn to park it. (Say, what the hell happened to those cars which could park themselves and such, anyway???)

Bitcoin anyone?

- NonE

[bruce.Codere]

Hi NonE,

Well thanks for the link. I skimmed the site and might give it more time soon. I'll keep kicking tires too.

Bruce

[Kel]

Ah, Accepted For Value. The A4V acronym didn't even register with me.

I've heard of it. It seems to fall under the same freeman/commercial redemption umbrella. I recall watching the video with Winston Shrout featured in that link, years ago. To be honest I didn't fully understand it and most certainly did not trust it. He and others talked about taking bills (power, phone etc.) and sending it off to the treasury or something, to be paid. You even have to use certain colors of ink for this magic write off to happen!


I vaguely remember Marc mentioning on his show briefly not so long ago that he had been or was currently in the midst of helping somebody who attempted the whole UCC/redemption method and found themselves in a huge mess. I can't speak for Marc but I imagine he would not recommend that route at all. Especially when you take into account that the whole premise relies on this idea of citizenship/legitimate government/applicable law, which we know is bogus.


-NonE-Prime

[bruce.Codere]

Well, to put it another way, I was wondering if there was a reference case. I've found some information on people who have pushed it through to the discharge of debt, but nothing like when there was an executor to an estate, and realistically, I'll get struck by lightning with the winning ticket in my hand before I could even begin something like that at this late stage. But I'm curious.

It's more the tax man I know I can hold off, so that's where I'll be concentrating.

I have to throw it out there to see what sticks, right? peace

Bruce

[roxannedetierro]

The Federal Reserve and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency said that it has reached an arrangement with ten of the nation's top banking institutions to prevent reviewing abusive foreclosure proceedings in support of an $8.5 billion settlement. Source for this article: Federal Reserve OCC

[Gryphyn3]

I'm in Canada and there is a guy here Robert Menard who preaches the A4V thing. I looked into it and some people claim success. Appearently at some point the utility company sends you a check that they received from the treasury in the amount of the bill and you are supposed to sign it and send it back to the company. That is the second part of what is supposed to happen. However, no one that I have read about or watched their videos have shown any evidence like that check before they send it off to the company. I have heard and read some stories that the courts have gone after some of these people. Now, did they not do the process right? Did they miss something? Or is the whole thing a red herring? I don't know. But I'm not willing to trust it until more concrete proof is out there.

[eye2i2hear]

My personal position on the A4V hypothesis is that, a.) it's a (mere) hypothesis (not even a theory, much less having evidence to clearly prove it), and
b.) if --if-- it has any value, it's an Insider's Scam, thus for Insiders (Members) Only [the lingo tricks of the IRS Code possibly being of this same essence aka *wink*wink*ink*]. Hence, why it may get some initial hits with some judges (judges less out of The Loop? it's a pretty large Loop after all, no?); and
c.) some of These hucksters calling themselves Judges/The Judiciary may be the equivalent of sportsmen/big game hunters/fishermen; thus They 'lure' folk in the same sense that a fisherman will use small fish aka bait to catch larger fish. All in the Interest of weeding out the "Anarchists"/"Freemen" *cough* National Security Interests.

To surmise all this tho: does one really want to 'play' --see cat and mouse? see social theory? see the movie Trading Places?-- with these types?

I personally value the Adventures In LegalLand approach via damage control and in the process either awakening others to the facts of the aggression/violence delusion/con scheme and/or pointing out our awareness of the thug Con Artists own hypocrisy and contradiction. [for me, doing the A4V even if legit puts me too closely to being in Their Ilk/Camp/state of mind]