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[Zyrq]

Micah68 Wrote:The agent would also have difficulty proving that Edwards was a human being, that the earth is round, or that the sky is up.

Micah68 Wrote:You really should look up the meaning of the word "sophistry."

It seems like you've looked that word up a long time ago...

The difference between claim someone is a tax payer and a claim that the Earth is round is that in the second case no one cares if the claim is right or wrong as the consequences don't affect peoples' life.
Don't want to prove anything? - Don't make allegations you can't prove!

[Micah68]

NonEntity Wrote:So the fact that there was no evidence whatsoever that the man was in Wyoming is not a problem for you?

You mean, other than the fact that he actually was in Wyoming?

[Micah68]

Zyrq Wrote:

Micah68 Wrote:You really should look up the meaning of the word "sophistry."

It seems like you've looked that word up a long time ago...

The difference between claim someone is a tax payer and a claim that the Earth is round is that in the second case no one cares if the claim is right or wrong as the consequences don't affect peoples' life.
Don't want to prove anything? - Don't make allegations you can't prove!

That's it? You really want to live or die on that argument?

I live in a world in which there are consequences for winning or losing arguments in court. People gain or lose money, or they go to jail or go free. But to you nimrods it's like a parlor game that you can play and then go home and sober up in the morning.

Guess what: Law is real. It's not a game and it has real consequences for those who have battled and then win or lose.

And you armchair voyeurs, you Internet weekend warriors arguing about traffic tickets and other trivial crap, pretty much disgust me.

[Dionysus]

Micah68 Wrote:And you armchair voyeurs, you Internet weekend warriors arguing about traffic tickets and other trivial crap, pretty much disgust me.

Good... I'm glad we disgust you. And if we disgust you so much, why are you here? Just leave. Believe me, nobody will miss you.

[zonsb]

Micah68 Wrote:And you armchair voyeurs, you Internet weekend warriors arguing about traffic tickets and other trivial crap, pretty much disgust me.

What can be done to help you massively increase your disgust to such a high level that you return to sanity?

[WorBlux]

Micah68 Wrote:Guess what: Law is real. It's not a game and it has real consequences for those who have battled and then win or lose.

Certainly the violence is real. Just like theft is real, and that justification that the thief imagines is an arbitrary opinion. The use of violence to take something away from someone is no evidence that they ever owed it to you in the first place.

The law is just the opinions of a group of sociopathic men who would want everyone else to be their slaves.

Lyasander Spooner, Natural Law Wrote:What, then, is legislation? It is an assumption by one man, or body of men, of absolute, irresponsible dominion over all other men whom they call subject to their power. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, of a right to subject all other men to their will and their service. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, of a right to abolish outright all the natural rights, all the natural liberty of all other men; to make all other men their slaves; to arbitrarily dictate to all other men what they may, and may not, do; what they may, and may not, have; what they may, and may not, be. It is, in short, the assumption of a right to banish the principle of human rights, the principle of justice itself, from off the earth, and set up their own personal will, pleasure, and interest in its place. All this, and nothing less, is involved in the very idea that there can be any such thing as human legislation that is obligatory upon those upon whom it is imposed.

[holipsism]

Micah68 Wrote:

NonEntity Wrote:So the fact that there was no evidence whatsoever that the man was in Wyoming is not a problem for you?

You mean, other than the fact that he actually was in Wyoming?

This has went from a sitcom to a straight up one man comedy show. So, let me get this straight...

The "State" is now the ground? Aren't you guys at quatloos (whatever the hell that is) suppose to be lawyers?

How do you injure the ground? Can I cross examine the ground? I mean, Damn, Son....anyway.

Lets cut to the chase. This is simple; what mechanism is utilized to obligate a person to the "state?" You and everyone on this board knows the mechanism is called FORCE. Now, how do you reconcile that with the Declaration of Independence?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

To show how extremely RELEVANT this statement is they put this one next...

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Now is the Declaration of Independence frivolous to Statists now?

Marc, this clown is BENEATH you.

[indio]

The STATE's territorial jurisdiction is it's the geographical limits under which it can serve process. Of course there must have been "sufficient contacts". Nothing more, nothing less.

[NonEntity]

As a correlarical inquiry (don't bother looking it up, I just invented the word), I wonder how one could be "inside of" a corporation. I suppose it is just the same as when one gets "into a novel." :biggrinblue:

- NonE

You know that a state is made up of the body politic, and the body politic is made up of the citizens who agree to submit themselves to something or other in order to have the protection by others from something-else-or-other, right? I mean, you DO get that, don't you? So if I do not agree then I'm not a "citizen" and hence not "in" (this is sounding more and more like a bad rendition of a Bill Clinton inquisition) the state, regardless of what physical location I may happen to inhabit at any given instant. I'm currently somewhere in the vicinity of Microsoft Windows 7. I hope I don't get a "mousing" ticket.

[armando]

State of Microsoft Windows
Vs
NonE

NonE, you have been charged with the crime of over clicking on your mouse. We don't have facts to back up our claim, but we do have the force of guns to threaten you, so please pay. Your refusal to pay will result in the use of force against you. Please don't force us to use force against you.

State of Microsoft Windows

[NonEntity]

armando Wrote:State of Microsoft Windows
Vs
NonE

NonE, you have been charged with the crime of over clicking on your mouse. We don't have facts to back up our claim, but we do have the force of guns to threaten you, so please pay. Your refusal to pay will result in the use of force against you. Please don't force us to use force against you.

State of Microsoft Windows

[right](emphasis mine)[/right]

But she ASKED for it! It was a mutually (MMMmmmmm....) satisfactory clicking. Really! And I washed my hands beforehand, tooooo.

- NonE

[Dionysus]

^^ I'll be a witness! You had the mouse right in your hand and I saw 10 instances of Microsoft Porn pop up on your desktop! You must have over-clicked!

[Micah68]

holipsism Wrote:

Micah68 Wrote:

NonEntity Wrote:So the fact that there was no evidence whatsoever that the man was in Wyoming is not a problem for you?

You mean, other than the fact that he actually was in Wyoming?

The "State" is now the ground?

You're saying that there's no such place as Wyoming? That the maps of the United States showing a rectangular area marked "Wyoming" are all wrong?

[Micah68]

To sum of what I've read here so far:

1. The "assistance" provided by Marc Stevens consists mainly (entirely?) of providing questions like "Can you prove I'm in Wyoming?", "What's the difference between Wyoming and the State of Wyoming?", "Would there be an obligation to pay federal taxes if there were no constitution?", and "What's the difference between 'United States' and 'United States of America'?".

2. Those questions are claimed to work in traffic court, small claims court, and other courts which are not courts of record (which means that there's no way of verifying what actually happened in court).

3. Stevens cannot provide any evidence that anyone he has ever "helped" has ever won in a court of record. The one cite he provided, United States v. Marc Edwards, No. 05-CV-141-D (D. Wyo.), was actually a loss, with the client being sanctioned $6,000 by the 10th Circuit for a frivolous appeal.

Does Stevens charge money for this kind of "assistance," or does he give it away?

[Dionysus]

^^ See:

Someone thinks he has proven a state & citizens exist

presence "Within" the STATE

Educate yourself. We are not, will not be the janitor of starry-eyed amateurs.