Nature’s Stipulation

[Dionysus]

Malinson:

Do you know any of this, or is it all still a belief to you? What I wrote in my posts is what I know.

[NonEntity]

Dionysus Wrote:Malinson:

Do you know any of this, or is it all still a belief to you? What I wrote in my posts is what I know.

[right](emphasis mine)[/right]

[center]This reminds me of a wonderful bumper sticker*: Hire a teenager while he still knows everything![/center]
- NonE


* I guess nowadaze they might more properly be called "fascia adornments" or some such.

[Dionysus]

^^ This is the same "malinson" who was banned before, right?

And I'm not bragging about "knowing." As a wise man said, "it ain't braggin' if ya done it."

[WorBlux]

malinson Wrote:There can never be true justice in a reality where life is unfair, thus Justice is an illusion of the mind.

If Justice is an illusion of the mind then right and wrong can never be trully reconcilled, thus they too are illusions of the mind.

-Malinson

That's entirely unfounded and it misses the point. Justice is an action guiding concept based on the internal causal structure of man, and not some sort of distance or physical measure

It's like saying if there can't be perfect knowledge, thus knowledge is an illusion of the mind. Yet every man with sufficient experience comes to realize that coming to know and overcoming ignorance are to be pursued as a basic human good, a thing that is valuable simply because of what it is and what he is. Likewise since man is a being social and rational, he depends on social cooperation for the vast majority of his welfare. Things that do or ought to lead to social peace or justice are things to be pursued.

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[malinson]

WorBlux Wrote:basic human good

spoken by those who pursue the betterment of humanity as they desire it to be.

Notice the motivation? Yes; it is motivated by desires which are fueled by greed. This is the begginings of statism, for those in control always act under the guise of 'basic human good.'

WorBlux Wrote:Things that do or ought to lead to social peace or justice are things to be pursued.

Is this from anarchism, or by one who seeks to shape society the way he desires it to be?

Social peace is NEVER an objective truth, for a world without conflict is a world without life. Social conflict is a FACTof life; and those who preach pease have nearly always been at the root of war...

WorBlux Wrote:internal causal structure of man

Argued by those who think humanity is separate from natural reality when in fact they are very much apart of it. How could such a structure not be influenced by the unfairness of life, the apparent cruelty of nature, or even the spontaneous acts of others who act indeterminately and separate from the existence of this so-called ’causality’??

This 'causal structure of man' is hypothetical nonsense! It is metaphysical techno-babble used to convince you to behave the way they wish you to behave!!

The mind is a realm that baffles the eye, brining shape to an illusion and form to a lie...this is the realm of causality as seen by the mind of desire!!!


-Malinson

[Dionysus]

This Malinson joker actually thinks humans are no different than animals, despite all the evidence to the contrary like, oh, I dunno, civilization and all its accoutrements, including the computer he presumably uses. Anyone who believes otherwise is a peddler of "nonsense," according to him. He hasn't changed a bit since his banning in 2007-- he's still extremely antisocial. I'll have nothing further to do with him. I bet he's just another pro-State troll trying to convince others (and himself) that he's not. My "ignore list" is growing.

[WorBlux]

Quote:How could such a structure not be influenced by the unfairness of life,

You call justice an illusion, but appeal to it's opposite? That's schizophrenic to tell the truth. Really, does the fact that there are diseases and injuries negate that health is to be perused? If there wasn't ever unfairness and social conflict, then the concept of justice wouldn't have any application outside of idle study, as a study of immune system would be idle if nobody's had ever failed or been insufficient.

Quote:or even the spontaneous acts of others who act indeterminately and separate from the existence of this so-called causality??

I may sit on a desk, but that doesn't mean it has suddenly becomes a chair. A desk has a certain nature that most suits it to being a desk even if it is put to other purposes. To say otherwise it to trap yourself into an unending recursive series of regressions and to lose all meaning. Causal structure is far from babble. It's what unlocks the would to human understanding and without it there is no meaning. Science is first and foremost and inquiry into the the causes and first principles of a thing.

Quote:spoken by those who pursue the betterment of humanity as they desire it to be.



Notice the motivation? Yes; it is motivated by desires which are fueled by greed. This is the begginings of statism, for those in control always act under the guise of 'basic human good.'

Yes, I want people to cooperate, for my own good, and that of others as well. If I want to live my life by cooperation, I have good reason to protect others in the same. If you are willing to stand by and do nothing as people are subjected to something contrary to cooperation and agreement, then you are not half a man, much less half an anarchist. If you value non-aggression then its a good idea to stand up for it. You seem to be a nihilist or pacifist. A nihilistic anarchism collapses because it can't point to any fundamental difference between anarchy and the current state of affairs. A pacifist anarchism is vulnerable as it would succumb to the first person to re-discovery criminality. Philosophy is the only way anarchism may be solidly grounded.




There is a difference between power and freedom, and if we are to have freedom you can't lie down and let people have the power to trample over cooperation whenever they want. It's not stateism, it's common sense. And a check of power is not always a check on freedom. For example you do not have the power to flap your arms and fly, but this lack is no check against your freedom.

[malinson]

WorBlux Wrote:You call justice an illusion, but appeal to it's opposite? That's schizophrenic to tell the truth.

Quote:I could never reconcile a position that nature herself is morally incorrect. -Malinson

Quote: Nature is blamed for many so-called atrocities and crimes, yet who in their arrogance says that this is wrong?
the wrong itself is an illusion…-Malinson

Quote: Life is accepted by most to be unfair. This mean most people arrogantly proclaim reality as wrong, as if they were the authority of it!! -Malinson

Are you sure I appeal to it's opposite or is it your mind seeing only what it wants too see? :winkwink:

Karma embraces causality almost religiously, yet neither of these are objective truths under nature's stipulation. Embracing justice invites the conception of the unfairness of life, which was the third person perspective I was arguing as an objective truth.

Though the subjective may fight to reconcile that indifference, it's not a real world reality.

WorBlux Wrote:Science is first and foremost and inquiry into the causes and first principles of a thing.

Really!? According to today's science we should not exist at all. This is because they embrace things that are unreal...such as time...Temporal Causality is a fantasy of the mind and is not truly supported under natural reality. If you think they have a firm grip on first principles then ask them why all their science blows up in their face at the singularity...

No, science hasn't a clue about the causes and first principles of anything...

WorBlux Wrote:Yes, I WANT people to cooperate, for my own good, and that of others as well.

WANT is an expression of desire. You WANT a people to do something; something that is also good for you. Is this a non-state teaching...or is this something else?

Let's rehash about what I wrote about the concept of good...

Quote: Rights and wrongs are defined through desires. As a people desire something, they label that which impedes their goals as wrong. But in reality, the wrong itself is an illusion… -Malinson

Morality is subjugated by the will of the mighty as per right of conquest afforded by nature’s stipulation.

Desires are influenced my a slew of factors including religion, philosophy, culture, and racial identity. Wars were primarily about wiping those differences out so that they can develop their version of - the common good.

Quote:This is the begginings of statism, for those in control always act under the guise of 'basic human good.' -Malinson

So again, If you want humanity to value what you value, to do what you feel is good, then only by the barrel of your gun will it ever be a reality- As was the point of my initial post.

-Malinson