Justice it is you want, no Staters...?!

[eye2i2hear]

It seems more often than not that I hear no Staters/voluntaryists/anarchists saying that in a voluntary society there will be 'justice'. Oh riley?! In the spirit of how many contend with the word 'anarchy', an appeal to the historical record (origin):

The Online Etymology Dictionary Wrote:justice: mid-12c., "the exercise of authority in vindication of right by assigning reward or punishment," from O.Fr. justise, from L. justitia "righteousness, equity," from justus "upright, just" [highlight=#E6FF99](see just (adj.)[/highlight]). The O.Fr. word had widespread senses, including "uprightness, equity, vindication of right, court of justice, judge." The word began to be used in English c.1200 as [highlight=#E6FF99]a title for a judicial officer[/highlight]. Meaning "[highlight=#E6FF99]the administration of law[/highlight]" is from c.1300.

[highlight=#E6FF99]just:[/highlight] late 14c., "righteous [highlight=#E6FF99]in the eyes of God[/highlight], upright and impartial," from O.Fr. just, from L. justus "upright, equitable," [highlight=#E6FF99]from jus (gen. juris) "right," especially "legal right, law," from O.Latin ious, perhaps lit. "sacred formula," a word peculiar to Latin (not general Italic) that originated in the religious cults[/highlight], from PIE base *yewes- (cf. Avestan yaozda- "make ritually pure;" [highlight=#E6FF99]see jurist[/highlight]). The more mundane Latin law-word lex covered specific laws as opposed to the body of laws.

jurist: mid-15c., [highlight=#E6FF99]"one who practices law,"[/highlight] from M.Fr. juriste, from M.L. jurista "jurist," from L. [highlight=#E6FF99]jus, ius (gen. juris) "law," L. ius "law," from PIE *yewes- "law," originally a term of religious cult, perhaps meaning "sacred formula"[/highlight] (cf. L. iurare "to pronounce a ritual formula," Vedic yos "health," Avestan yaoz-da- "make ritually pure," Ir. huisse "just").

"jus" ala "juris"?!? aka "law is opinion backed by the barrel of a gun" = justice is an opinion backed by the barrel of a gun?!?
:o akin with the word 'anarchy' --but it's a reversal?

[britislesovrin]

what we all want to see happen is the justice system being transformed into a non commercial enterprise,ie a business run for profit and control.

when we talk about "justice" we are refering to what can be considered to normal people as just and righteous.

it's also about seeing whats right and wrong as lawful or unlawful not as legal or illegal,it's about redressing the balance and putting logic and reason back were it belongs.

[Grey beard]

(06-06-2011 07:18 AM)britislesovrin Wrote:  what we all want to see happen is the justice system being transformed into a non commercial enterprise,ie a business run for profit and control.

when we talk about "justice" we are refering to what can be considered to normal people as just and righteous.

it's also about seeing whats right and wrong as lawful or unlawful not as legal or illegal,it's about redressing the balance and putting logic and reason back were it belongs.

Aren't those all just words created by others to control how we think? Isn't physical violence only " right " in the moment of defense from violence?