Has any one Heard this: UFO Discussion Panel via Larry King?

[Plume]

Ex Military and Government workers on CNN discussing UFOs
Larry King got people with credentials talking about how the cia and the government has been covering up ufos and that on monday,there is a big press conference being held about ufos and that they believe the government is gonna soon reveal the truth because of the overwhelming value of evidence that they cannot control.

... anybody got anything on this?

[Plume]

Bill Cooper apologized about the misleading others in his suspicions concerning UFO's, but this thing may have or may not have stuck with me. It's like belief in God... you say you don't believe, but because it is instilled in you, you never quite let go of the attributes.

the breakdown on this is an attempt at create the perfect panic scenario, to the effect of the twin tower fiasco in new york, but on a much larger, world involved concern. it's corny, but you never know: the attempt to scare the living daylights out of everyone by fabricating an alien invasion. WHAT?

in the wake of this, Bill Cooper may have been on to something and didn't quite have the ramifications pin-pointed. Now this is TRUE conspiracy. Where's My Hat?

[eye2i2hear]

(a bit)

What a classic Voltaire Admonition moment here?!

"ufo"

Simply: unidentified flying object    [eg Bill Copper's perspective, [abbr=as i understand it]aiui[/abbr]]

Too often assumption: alien spacecraft 

Which is but yet another VAMoment, where "alien" is not of the Mexican or Cuban ("illegal") to U.S. version  but non-human.  [and but of course, "non-human" = "hostile" via fear of the unknown (non-known?)  :rolleyes: ]

maybe to better pin the con artists / fear mongers down, we need insist upon a ETUFO...

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[Darren Dirt]

Plume Wrote:Ex Military and Government workers on CNN discussing UFOs
Larry King got people with credentials talking about how the cia and the government has been covering up ufos and that on monday,there is a big press conference being held about ufos and that they believe the government is gonna soon reveal the truth because of the overwhelming value of evidence that they cannot control.

So, basically, Larry King's producers finally got around to watching on Google video or wherever the "Disclosure Project" press conference? And decided to jump on the bandwagon? Or to debunk the claims? Or to follow onward in the Elite's propaganda plan?  ???

Plume Wrote:Bill Cooper apologized about the misleading others in his suspicions concerning UFO's

me=confused. I watched the 2 hour video of William Cooper talking about the alien coverup, the underground bunkers, the groups of aliens controlling "our leaders", the drug running, all those connections... at the end he was almost in tears, pleading with people to wake up, be aware of how their kids are being exploited as part of the whole system, and to be aware that it goes far deeper than just a technology race...

so are you now saying that since that video was recorded, he went back on his words and said "Ignore what I said, all the papers I saw and interviews I did were part of a bigger disinfo campaign..." ??? If so, then why would the gubmint use such a big disinfo myth, beyond just the obvious control-the-masses motivation...

Personally, I find it hard to believe that between the 1980s huge rush of "alien visits/takeover/invasion" films (from E.T. to They Live to MIB to ID4 to The Arrival -- which is actually not a bad film at all) that the gubmint hasn't "moved forward" with what Reagan seemed to be hinting at as part of the longterm plan to move towards world control-ment... Why the hold up? Especially now that movies like the Matrix and Vendetta and Serenity and Equilibirum are getting such widespread viewing and waking up and fight-the-state spirits being stirred up...

Oh wait, you're saying maybe this month "the announcement" might "finally" be taking place? Hmmm... maybe as a diversion so the masses don't hear about the Liberty Dollar fiasco, or perhaps as Iran is invaded, etc. etc... :-\

[Plume]

I don't recall where I heard his exact apology. will check on it. These hats are supposed to be made of foil, right? I keep picking up signals without the foil.

[zonsb]

It's on the Behold A Pale Horse video that Cooper says that much of the UFO/alien documents he received may have been disinformation.

If there are other conscious beings other than Earthlings and they can travel to Earth how much more advanced is their technology? And what chance do Earthlings have of defending themselves from such advanced weaponry.

Besides, if conscious beings throughout the Universe use initiation of force to rule and or control other conscious beings the first civilization of conscious beings would rule the Universe due to their always having technology that is more advanced than civilizations that are hundreds, thousands, millions or hundreds-of-millions years behind them in advancing their own technologies.

My position is that if there are "alien" conscious beings they operate voluntarily and don't comprehend the initiation of force. Initiation of force is not something intelligent beings partake of.

zonsb

[Darren Dirt]

zonsb Wrote:If there are other conscious beings other than Earthlings and they can travel to Earth how much more advanced is their technology? And what chance do Earthlings have of defending themselves from such advanced weaponry.

My position is that if there are "alien" conscious beings they operate voluntarily and don't comprehend the initiation of force. Initiation of force is not something intelligent beings partake of.

zonsb

Well said, zonsb, and I guess since we all consider voluntaryism to be a "step up" from collectivist fascism (whatever the degree or label -- from Feudalism to Monarchism to Communism to Democracy to Republicanism) then I guess it is only logical to presume other life forms, other extraterrestrial cultures would see things the same way -- or would have wasted their technology-development ages in focusing on killiong each other off...

[steve]

[Oh wait, you're saying maybe this month "the announcement" might "finally" be taking place? Hmmm... maybe as a diversion so the masses don't hear about the Liberty Dollar fiasco, or perhaps as Iran is invaded, etc. etc... :-\

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The arrest agaist the Liberty Dollar people is absurd.

But, let us look at the bright side and the recent victory against the IRS who did not get 1 of 21 criminal counts against a business that paid their employees in gold and silver. Prosecution could not define what a dollar was I believe.

Probably a subject for another thread.

[NonEntity]

steve Wrote:But, let us look at the bright side and the recent victory against the IRS who did not get 1 of 21 criminal counts against a business that paid their employees in gold and silver. Prosecution could not define what a dollar was I believe.

Probably a subject for another thread.

Yes! 

and probably Yes. 

- NonE

[eye2i2hear]

steve Wrote:But, let us look at the bright side and the recent victory against the IRS who did not get 1 of 21 criminal counts against a business that paid their employees in gold and silver. Prosecution could not define what a dollar was I believe.
Probably a subject for another thread.

Subject for another thread?  US?!?  US!?!  :-X


fwiw:

A dollar is of the same order* as a pound... and a gallon!
A dollar is a simply a unit of measure of weight.
So that just as you can only have a gallon of milk, so you can only have a dollar of some thing (of weight).

That is unless you're talking LegalLand-speak.  Then you have to ask Humpty Dumpty and/or all the king's men what a "dollar" is.

Quote:
An eight real coin nominally weighed 550.209 Spanish grains, which is 423.900 troy/avoirdupois grains (0.883125 troy ounce or 27.468 grams), .93055 fine: so contained 0.821791 troy ounce (25.560 grams) fine silver.

--- Wikipedia

The issue of the "Prosecution could not define what a dollar was" hits closer that they wouldn't want to risk getting into how "dollar bills" as technically being "Federal Reserve Notes" can not logically, historically be dollars.  After all, how many pieces of such paper would it take to weigh 0.883125 troy ounce or 27.468 grams--  but more accurately, would be equal in market value to that weight of silver?!

*[the deepest reality here is, of course as it is with most societal tools: concepts like "dollar", "gallon", and "value" are what people simply agree that it is!  Just as people agree on word definitions and then language...

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[NonEntity]

eye2i2hear Wrote:A dollar is of the same order* as a pound... and a gallon!
A dollar is a simply a unit of measure of weight.
So that just as you can only have a gallon of milk, so you can only have a dollar of some thing (of weight).

I hate to do this, I really do.  I really, really do. :'(

Do you know, 2i2, that until you pointed out the above, I never had thought of it exactly that clearly before.  I had always thought of a dollar as some certain "thing."  A thing which was changed, but nonetheless a thing.

Wow.  My inner-idiot is revealed!

I wonder if we can just magically change the value of miles-per-gallon?  Can we print more of those?  That'd be REALLY COOL!  Or maybe inches...  You know, that measurement that all of the penile enhancement emails are always talking about?  Or what about... ownership? 

- NonE

[eye2i2hear]

NonEntity Wrote:I hate to do this, I really do.  I really, really do. :'(

Well, probably like eye/I, you too (Non2??) up until someone comes along and researches and relays the results, were relying (re+lying) on what the re+liars have told us since we were old enough to learn?  Perhaps less something to "hate to have to admit" but more something else to be sad and/or angry about regarding The System Public?  [But fwiw, I know your initial feeling as having shared it]

Quote:Do you know, 2i2, that until you pointed out the above, I never had thought of it exactly that clearly before.  I had always thought of a dollar as some certain "thing."  A thing which was changed, but nonetheless a thing.

Wow.  My inner-idiot is revealed!

See my response above on any "inner-idiot"/re+lying, with an added emphasis on the point that someone woke me up (or shook me hard enough with their comments on the matter to get me digging in) to this as well; I can't take credit for the specific analogy is what I'm trying to be sure is understood.

And though I'm sure you're very clearly aware, but as a re+minder, a "dollar" of course can   may be any "thing"-- certain or otherwise.  As certainly, apart from empirically, logically based agreement being held or clung to (emphasis on "held")... que the old song: "Anything goes..."  [soft shoe here... or feet shuffling, back pedaling, as the case may be...]  8)

Anything goes = see the typical "State" and the "Courts" thereof. [which is simply what some "we" has agreed to-- at the moment.]

Quote:I wonder if we can just magically change the value of miles-per-gallon?  Can we print more of those?  That'd be REALLY COOL!  Or maybe inches...  You know, that measurement that all of the penile enhancement emails are always talking about?  Or what about... ownership? 

"WE" (The People United) can do such, any such, obviously-- of course because "we" started with the "enhancement" of allowance and acceptance of seeing any us/U.S. .
May "we"... and still be worthy of honor and respect and trust, and considered virtuous and moral? 
I vote "nay".  [that is something jackas*ses do, and yes, I done done it (again)] 

I don't know about you (any of you readers here on this topic), but to me, it's a pretty good exercise to (re)examine the likes of "gallon", "miles" (and no Marc, not Miles Davis!), "inches", "money", "dollars" ("marks"/"pounds"), "property", "ownership", "rights", and other such agreements-- of voluntary association --voluntary at least until sought to be enforced at the barrel of a gun (eg see the U.S. State of mind on inches vs. metric).

Concepts.
What some awesome "things"!?!
The "stuff" of great benefit-- potentially; the stuff down-too-many-throats, for personal benefit, sadly enough.
Concepts... stuff we come up (mental) with regarding our  "stuff" (elemental)...

[/ (with sincere apologies to the thread's author)  :-[

[Plume]

^^^that was beautiful.^^^


the emperor has no clothes or a mirror or a local cleaners or a steam iron & ironing board

[Marc Stevens]

eye2i2hear Wrote:"miles" (and no Marc, not Miles Davis!),