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09-13-2007, 01:47 PM
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the Fantasy of "Authority"
I've written a few times here and there on the total meaninglessness of the word "authority." But I don't think I've done it nearly as well as Larken Rose's email this morning. Read this, it is magnificent. And then there is the article on Somalia that he links to...
- NonE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My Fellow Earthlings, When faced with the suggestion of society without an authoritarian command structure (i.e., "government"), most people--having been indoctrinated into the bogus idea that obedience to authority prevents mass chaos, mayhem, death and destruction--instinctively react by asking how things will work without "government." The reason I rarely address that question is quite simple: because it is logically 100% irrelevant to WHY I believe in a stateless society. Most anarchists I've heard reached their beliefs by deciding that society would work better without a ruling class. That is NOT how I got here. I ended up where I am by realizing that "government" is NEVER legitimate; it cannot have the right to rule me, any more than my neighbor has the right to rule me. It's "authority" is completely mythical, and the idea that anyone has a moral obligation to obey its "laws" is nothing but an irrational superstition. Again, I compare it to telling someone that Santa Claus isn't real, only to have him respond, "But how will Christmas work without Santa?" How should I know? What difference does that make to whether Santa exists or not? He's not going to magically come into existence because Christmas would be inconvenient without him. Likewise, "authority" is not going to magically become legitimate and real because we don't know what to do without it. One way to summarize the insanity of the myth of "authority" is like this: Man is morally obliged to do what he believes is immoral. Why? Because if "authority" is real--if someone has the RIGHT to rule us, control us via "law," and if we therefore have the moral obligation to obey their commands--then when our own judgment conflicts with the commands of "authority," we are morally obligated to do what we believe to be the WRONG thing. It's a little weird to have to say this obvious truism, but here goes: One cannot be morally obligated to do something immoral. As obvious as that may seem, that simple concept rules out ALL possibility of "authority." Like Santa Claus, it simply cannot be, no matter how necessary or useful anyone insists it is. Again, we can debate how to handle Christmas without Santa, but NOTHING we say will have the slightest relevance to whether Santa actually EXISTS or not. Likewise, I usually refuse to talk about how we can survive, and live in relative peace, without "authority," because such a discussion has NO bearing on whether "authority" CAN exist in the first place. There's another reason why I don't usually bother with such discussions. In the authoritarian mindset, there are constantly top- down, micro-managed, legislated "solutions" to all kinds of things. They rarely if ever WORK, but at least an authoritarian can say, "Here is the plan I want to impose on all of you!" An anarchist, by definition, can do nothing of the sort. If you ask me how some aspect of society will work without "government," I could GUESS, or I could make SUGGESTIONS, but I couldn't say "Here is the solution which will be imposed under my system." Why? Because there would BE no "system" of centralized control. Ironically, lots of people ask me questions which begin with, "Under your system, how would...?" I'm not suggesting a system. I'm not running for the position of Emperor of Anarchy. I'm suggesting we rid ourselves of an insane, horribly destructive delusion. That's all. I have no new and improved delusion to replace it with. How people will deal with life without the delusion is up to six billion individuals to decide. No one, including me, will be imposing any system on them, and I highly doubt they're all going to come to ME to ask how to do everything. (I hope they don't, because I have neither the desire, nor the ability, to figure out how to make all of society work.) Notwithstanding all of the above, and with great reluctance, I decided to send to all of you a link to a story that shows a real- life example of society without "government." But again, while it shows that "anarchy can work," to me that is besides the point. If "authority" is an illusion, a self-contradictory superstition (and it is), discussing how we live without it, while interesting, is logically irrelevant. Nonetheless, since so many people simply refuse to even THINK about whether "authority" is real or not, until someone paints for them a picture of life without it, well... here you go: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mises.org/story/2701">http://www.mises.org/story/2701</a><!-- m --> Sincerely, Larken Rose <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.larkenrose.com">http://www.larkenrose.com</a><!-- m --> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="https://www.hushtools.com/verify">https://www.hushtools.com/verify</a><!-- m --> Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 2.5 wpwEAQECAAYFAkbo/DEACgkQGmVFo/iGj33c5QQAkGjxlWkz/XYehF+9QCUGQiXwScvr rG5b51xJqYAY2zmVWfhfV2c9/5CCisPvrAlJ/ZmztZ0slSRStnINYTVdcDkC2i7ez1Mz k5NmzYvpNqcmguh8AsZLhtHBNrFcYTsTAmh4hSCFDUfeWAjQ1ZSVJxHobwgQJQ+Wjq4y FZ/kNXY= =nR/C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe, send a blank message to <!-- e --><a href="mailto:tmds-on@mail-list.com">tmds-on@mail-list.com</a><!-- e --> "I just don't understand how this happens."
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09-13-2007, 03:02 PM
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Re: the Fantasy of "Authority"
Try telling that to Robert D. Kaplan, who presented the below hour long pro-war on terror documentary-propaganda the other day:
September 3, 2007 INSIDE AMERICAâS EMPIRE (part of Robert McNeil's America at a Crossroads series) Atlantic Monthly reporter, Robert D. Kaplan travels the world exploring why Americaâs role is essential to global order. I tried finding an email for this guy, or a website, but found neither. At one point he said "liberty without authority is impossible" or something like that. I smiled. |
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09-13-2007, 07:17 PM
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Re: the Fantasy of "Authority"
I totally comprehend larken or even your assessment of .... but i remain quite leary of dashing how madmen can jump out of nowhere. I don't want to have doubt like this, but its so hard being indoctrinated when the pain and dishonesty and unfairness of it all, hovers. where my head is right at this moment, i'd have to be rebirthed into the naive original inexperienced child state. I try hard to block out or not to figure in the experiences, but
I've been at the neighborhood park and had the older guys call me over where they tell me to have a seat and i'm sitting there feeling cool when suddenly, an onslaught of fists bombard my face. there was no forewarning that this would take place. I don't know that if it's todays suppression and depression that drives these souls to these types of "turn on each other" behaviors. But what am i to do with this experience? I know i didn't like it and i know i don't want it to happen again. this is one example in a bag of many. when you experience trespass, you replay it over and over in your head, researching how you could have avoided it. it is in life-forms nature to learn and adapt the avoidances of these incident types. the landscape of how we were to inter-mingle would have to be hugely dramatic for me personally, to drop my guard. I'm experienced as well as witness to, a lot of sour incidents. And i carry on the conversation for just a hint of confidence that i may witness the humanity spoken here, in future possibility tense. Where i can place my trust, because that really is, just like you, what i want. go easy on me cause i'm more so afraid than what you infer me as being statist. how many people are trying to live, suppressing fear while putting on the front that they can handle anything? and i'm not talkin' 'bout the threat of country invasion fear, the "around the way" fear, does just fine for "F"ing things up. It's a minor hurt when i'm stigmatized a statist and not knowing why most here, feel that it is the case. total uninterrupted indoctrination and practice of freedom and liberty within a generation. i'm just carrying to much poison within |
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09-13-2007, 08:11 PM
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Re: the Fantasy of "Authority"
the longer the post, the less likely they're read. i'd guess most on the net only read a few words to get the gist of a post, then reply. there's a lot of self help material out there. free too. Google "self help" or "positive thinking" ... consider watching Dr. Phil for a while or getting his book from the library, if there, "Self Matters." be well.
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09-15-2007, 03:02 PM
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Re: the Fantasy of "Authority"
"I just don't understand how this happens."
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09-16-2007, 12:42 PM
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Re: the Fantasy of "Authority"
Neo Wrote:the longer the post, the less likely they're read. Yup. |
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09-16-2007, 03:16 PM
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Re: the Fantasy of "Authority"
edweird Wrote:Neo Wrote:the longer the post, the less likely they're read. +1 |
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09-16-2007, 05:23 PM
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Re: the Fantasy of "Authority"
Darren Dirt Wrote:edweird Wrote:Neo Wrote:the longer the post, the less likely they're read. ! "I just don't understand how this happens."
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