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Tharrin, READ THIS!
09-22-2012, 10:36 AM
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Tharrin, READ THIS!

A blog post/article/whatever, written by Kevin Carson. He looks at property and the modern world in a very interesting perspective. I've never seen it looked at in quite this way before and I think it's an important perspective.

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09-22-2012, 12:53 PM (This post was last modified: 09-22-2012 01:01 PM by eye2i2hear.)
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RE: Tharrin, READ THIS!
RIPDude, I want some of whatevva it is you're tokin' over there!!

Either that, or the site up and changed the intended article on you since this post...?!?

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Or due to what i's tokin' over here has me fogged (so fogged, i didn't even realize i was tokin' such). i sure didn't spot the "very interesting perspective on property and the modern world". But then after trudging thru section 1, admittedly, i started noddin' off... (tho after trudging thru, i did enjoy a coupla part in the second part/section ie the "armed robbery" scenarios)

Point me in the right direction (yet again)??

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Is it voluntary? (because if it isn't, what inherently is it?)
And can it be voluntary, if there's indoctrination, intimidation, coercion, threats & initiation of violence?
[not to be confused with asking: can it be said to be "voluntary" even when such is present.?]
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09-22-2012, 01:51 PM (This post was last modified: 09-22-2012 02:22 PM by NonEntity.)
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(09-22-2012 12:53 PM)eye2i2hear Wrote:  RIPDude, I want some of whatevva it is you're tokin' over there!!


Sorry. That's my private stash, man.

Consider removing your head from your... no. WAIT. Undecided No, that works! Big Grin

- the Very Good NonRIPdude


Odd Lee Enuf, it wouldn't let me put in the smilies the first time, so I hadda come back and add them later, lest Whutzizname get upset that I short sheeted changed him.

Butt, back on point, if you fell asleep during the exposition then I can see where you woodent get the point of it. Only some of us have our greatest epifannys during sleep. Maybe you can try it again after smoking some meth or something so you won't fall asleep. Idea

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09-22-2012, 03:06 PM
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Quote:The best analogy I’ve ever seen for understanding the close ties between the state and the corporate economy, and their conjunction in a single state capitalist ruling class, was thought up by Brad Spangler, in “Recognizing Faux Private Interests that are Actually Part of the State“:

Let’s postulate two sorts of robbery scenarios.

In one, a lone robber points a gun at you and takes your cash. All libertarians would recognize this as a micro-example of any kind of government at work, resembling most closely State Socialism.

In the second, depicting State Capitalism, one robber (the literal apparatus of government) keeps you covered with a pistol while the second (representing State-allied corporations) just holds the bag that you have to drop your wristwatch, wallet and car keys in. To say that your interaction with the bagman was a “voluntary transaction” is an absurdity. Such nonsense should be condemned by all libertarians. Both gunman and bagman together are the true State.

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09-22-2012, 03:29 PM
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Sleepy tharrin, ignore the NonEntity; don't waste your energy. [Image: rainbow.gif]

(the NonDio's dude posted the redeemable text --MMV)

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Is it voluntary? (because if it isn't, what inherently is it?)
And can it be voluntary, if there's indoctrination, intimidation, coercion, threats & initiation of violence?
[not to be confused with asking: can it be said to be "voluntary" even when such is present.?]
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09-22-2012, 03:42 PM
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(09-22-2012 03:06 PM)Dionysus Wrote:  And I'm still awake. Tounge

Akshully, the part that I enjoyed the most was where he analyzed the nature of ownership and control of a corporation. He shows where it is all a circular fantasy where responsibility can never be pinned on anyone. And the nature of government is EXACTLY the same thing.

(Zat help any iTOO?)

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04-05-2014, 03:00 AM
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I have read this. It is very interesting and informative.
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09-19-2015, 01:48 PM
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Sorry about the loooooooong delay. I did read it and it clearly defines the fantasy of corporate ownership as a circular state of illogical fancy. It serves (as does all ownership) as a means to persuade others into the belief system. Much like modern religion. No offense to those who believe. Politics are, in essence, another perplexing form of religion. You have your Republicans (with every shade between) far conservative right to your centrists and you have your Democrats from centrists (with every shade between) to your far radical left. Nowhere in their belief system do they have room for those who do not believe or do not wish to participate. Non-believers are marginalized.

The article does provide us something useful. It shows how much language is required to try to build a case around something which in the second paragraph stated it all. "The idea of the large corporation as the “private property” of its shareholders is, in most cases, utter nonsense."

So let's throw 40 or more paragraphs out there to elaborate on the nonsense. Equating the communal ownership of an animal to that of a corporation owned by its shareholders. All who will benefit from the animal in some fashion have a stake in the animals well being. Much the same with the corporation.

All of these things perplex me. Politics, its cousin the corporation, religion and all belief systems of that nature.

Systems, let's examine those.

sys·tem
ˈsistəm/
noun

1.
a set of connected things or parts forming a complex whole, in particular.
a set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network.
noun: system; plural noun: systems
"the state railroad system"
synonyms: structure, organization, arrangement, complex, network; informalsetup
"a system of canals"
Physiology
a set of organs in the body with a common structure or function.
"the digestive system"
the human or animal body as a whole.
"you need to get the cholesterol out of your system"
Computing
a group of related hardware units or programs or both, especially when dedicated to a single application.
Geology
(in chronostratigraphy) a major range of strata that corresponds to a period in time, subdivided into series.
Astronomy
a group of celestial objects connected by their mutual attractive forces, especially moving in orbits about a center.
"the system of bright stars known as the Gould Belt"
short for crystal system.
2.
a set of principles or procedures according to which something is done; an organized scheme or method.
"a multiparty system of government"

Here I will use definition 2. It says it all when it says "An Organized Scheme"

All systems benefit the organizer. Above all, the organizer sets the rules, lays out the ground work within which all will operate, who wish to be part of the organization. Those outside the Scheme are irrelevant. Their part will be cattle to fund the Scheme.

The members of the scheme will have rights over those who are not members. Current events show this as what is happening in Europe with the Syrian refugee crisis. So the Scheme is Europe and any sub-category of what makes up Europe. France, Germany, Hungary, etc. Like the Corporation, the head office called "The Corporation" has sub-units called departments or sub-companies, having their own rules but devoted to the ruling corporation. Anyone who isn't a part of the corporation really doesn't have a stake in the corporation and are irrelevant, up to the point of being a consumer of what the corporation sells. Does the Milk cow have a stake in the corporation? Consumer or Milk cow, the choice is yours. Yet the corporation will extend its rules to the consumer to minimizes its liability by getting the consumer to agree to its terms of use of its products.

So the Syrians, who live on the same planet as anyone else standing on this rocky ball in space, even though they are inhabitants of the microcosm called earth their rights (whatever they believe them to be) end at the Syrian/Hungary boarder. Once they cross the imaginary line they fall under the belief system of a corporate and unified many.

Instead of being an asset they are a liability on system. As in my earlier analogy of politics, religion, corporation etc. those trying to exist outside, those imaginary entities will always be at odds with those entities. Those entities will always try to begin those outside the system into the system with the express purpose of building support for the collective. Ultimately, all they are doing is supporting the organizer and its set of arbitrary rules it has put in place.

I am going to think on this a bit an refine this concept.
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