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emails: capacities?
04-18-2017, 02:53 PM
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emails: capacities?
Wondered if any of you had any ideas on this technicality:

Most email ISPs cap individual email sizes. Most limit an email total size to 25mb.

Ok, knowing that, often when sending mp3 files (songs/audio), this becomes significant. The longer the songs/audio, the larger the mp3 files etc. (the higher the audio quality, the larger the mp3 as well)

Where i've observed through trial and error, that about the largest mp3 file/s i can attach to send and not exceed the cap limit has been around 18mb. If i try to send an email with a 19+mb file, it'll pop up a warning saying it is over the 25mb limit etc.

The rub with the math being, why is the email itself, i.e. apart from the attachment, running at 6mb? i.e. 19mb subtracted from 25mb = 6mg? When i check text only emails i've sent they typically average around 8Kb?

Any ideas as to what's up, as to making up that additional 6mbs? Or more specifically, something to change in settings/options so that it stops wasting that much?

* this is deff one of those for me, where google is not my friend! (aka, what key search terms can one use to get at this issue is beyond me!)

Is it voluntary? (because if it isn't, what inherently is it?)
And can it be voluntary, if there's indoctrination, intimidation, coercion, threats & initiation of violence?
[not to be confused with asking: can it be said to be "voluntary" even when such is present.?]
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04-19-2017, 05:12 AM (This post was last modified: 04-20-2017 08:59 AM by Habenae Est Dominatus.)
Post: #2
RE: emails: capacities?
(04-18-2017 02:53 PM)eye2i2hear Wrote:  Wondered if

Edit to add from my bottom post:

convert binary files to ASCII text for transport = 37% bloat

http://ask-leo.com/why_are_emailed_attac..._file.html

https://serverfault.com/questions/189508...change-200

http://www.datamystic.com/text-binary-files

(04-18-2017 02:53 PM)eye2i2hear Wrote:  Ok, knowing that, often when sending mp3 files (songs/audio), this becomes significant. The longer the songs/audio, the larger the mp3 files etc. (the higher the audio quality, the larger the mp3 as well)

Where i've observed through trial and error, that about the largest mp3 file/s i can attach to send and not exceed the cap limit has been around 18mb. If i try to send an email with a 19+mb file, it'll pop up a warning saying it is over the 25mb limit etc.

The rub with the math being, why is the email itself, i.e. apart from the attachment, running at 6mb? i.e. 19mb subtracted from 25mb = 6mg? When i check text only emails i've sent they typically average around 8Kb?

Any ideas as to what's up, as to making up that additional 6mbs? Or more specifically, something to change in settings/options so that it stops wasting that much?

19 mb file
+ 37% base 64 expansion.
= 26.03 mb encoded file.
25 mb - 26.03 = just too damn big.

Cool. I learned something helping you.

Compress the files before sending.

zipping mp3 files


End Edit addition.



They get off topic at the bottom of the comments. I wonder if this "mtu" setting issue applies to you.
http://blogs.earthlink.net/what-is-the-s...tachments/


http://support.e-zekiel.com/templates/Sy...etch=26546
Quote:Editorially deleted. Not useful for the problem.

Is the email encrypted? This will mean more bits must be sent.

Quote:Bear in mind that binary files need base64 encoding, which increases file size by about 1/3.

ComputerSpeak:
https://www.lifewire.com/smtp-error-messages-1166422

A bit techy, but does have step by step instructions to EHLO the mail server.

https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/...p-commands

Adjusting MTU size...

Also a bit techy

http://www.tp-link.com/us/FAQ-190.html
http://www.linksys.com/us/support-articl...Num=134914

Good hunting, eye2.

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04-20-2017, 05:44 AM (This post was last modified: 04-20-2017 11:31 AM by eye2i2hear.)
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RE: emails: capacities?
(04-19-2017 05:12 AM)Habenae Est Dominatus Wrote:  They get off topic

Heheheh, i certainly can't say a word.
well, of course i "can"... but then i don't want 2be a hypokrite like NoziEntity tends to bee, so their's dat (and of equally of course, if i did say a word, there's no one in the woods to hear it, thus i'd kneed at least to type a werd...)

**edited 2reflect HabEdit
This nails it for me:
Quote:convert binary files to ASCII text for transport = 37% bloat

http://ask-leo.com/why_are_emailed_attac..._file.html

19 mb file
+ 37% base 64 expansion.
= 26.03 mb encoded file.
25 mb - 26.03 = just too damn big.

Which connected to:
Your first link posted also pointed out this:
Quote:MIME just refers to a set of encoding standards used to turn all email content into ASCII text for transport, and the email program on the other end knows how to un-encode it. ASCII basically refers to the set of characters you see on an English keyboard, plus a few others. That’s why if you “View Message Source” for an email message with attachments, you see a big block of printable text for your attached files. That’s encoded binary data.

If As i'm following it, this is saying that attachments e.g. images/jpg, audio/mp3 are re-coded as well. Said attachment re-coding results in the additional bloat/explosion from Kb to Mb.

Again/jic, the idea here for me, is to optimize my usage. Where at the present, having base emails at 6mb rather than 8kb seems wasteful (especially sense mye ISP caps my monthly usage and block charge$ when exceeded).
With this added info, i want to revisit zip (compressing) of mp3 (compressed) as attachments (recodes)¹.
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Quote:Good hunting, eye2.

Thanx. i think you've given me some trails that smell promising i think you've solved the mystery! (and confirmed for me in the process that my inkling to inquire about it here was spot on)
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Meanwhile, speaking of binary (pronounced bicontrary?), i think for me, with this, a bit of bi-division was what kept me from getting the key terms i needed to get to where you did with it.?
That being, i was seeing the email as a.) text -vs- z.) attachment, and searching accordingly. Where it turns out, all of such is text/one (coded, then uncoded).

Investigating What key terms in a netsearch got you to the on-point information (speaking of learning something in a process)?

And thanx again for all the assists! Not Worthy

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1. this all, btw, is MARC's FAULT!! Brickwall It was awareness of his blues fetish that had me trying to get a 19mb mp3 copy of Steve Lukather's remastered 1991 live rendition of Red House to him via email...
j/k
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(my solution was to re-rip the 320b/r at 160b/r mp3)

Is it voluntary? (because if it isn't, what inherently is it?)
And can it be voluntary, if there's indoctrination, intimidation, coercion, threats & initiation of violence?
[not to be confused with asking: can it be said to be "voluntary" even when such is present.?]
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04-20-2017, 08:45 AM (This post was last modified: 04-20-2017 09:01 AM by Habenae Est Dominatus.)
Post: #4
RE: emails: capacities?
convert binary files to ASCII text for transport = 37% bloat

http://ask-leo.com/why_are_emailed_attac..._file.html

https://serverfault.com/questions/189508...change-200

http://www.datamystic.com/text-binary-files

(04-18-2017 02:53 PM)eye2i2hear Wrote:  Ok, knowing that, often when sending mp3 files (songs/audio), this becomes significant. The longer the songs/audio, the larger the mp3 files etc. (the higher the audio quality, the larger the mp3 as well)

Where i've observed through trial and error, that about the largest mp3 file/s i can attach to send and not exceed the cap limit has been around 18mb. If i try to send an email with a 19+mb file, it'll pop up a warning saying it is over the 25mb limit etc.

The rub with the math being, why is the email itself, i.e. apart from the attachment, running at 6mb? i.e. 19mb subtracted from 25mb = 6mg? When i check text only emails i've sent they typically average around 8Kb?

Any ideas as to what's up, as to making up that additional 6mbs? Or more specifically, something to change in settings/options so that it stops wasting that much?

19 mb file
+ 37% base 64 expansion.
= 26.03 mb encoded file.
25 mb - 26.03 = just too damn big.

Cool. I learned something helping you.

Compress the files before sending.

zipping mp3 files

This post editorially added to post #2.

If that does it for you eye, just delete #3 and I'll delete this one #4.

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Then how did authority nobody had get delegated to those who call themselves government?

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04-23-2017, 12:14 PM (This post was last modified: 04-23-2017 12:22 PM by eye2i2hear.)
Post: #5
RE: emails: capacities?
Heavens'ta-murgatroid (aka #$%&! aka [Image: gaah.gif]).

https://askleo.com/can_i_zip_my_pictures...ave_space/

Leo A. Notenboom on the Ask Leo! website Wrote:Q: Can I ZIP my pictures or MP3 files to save space?

A: ZIP is a very popular compression algorithm supported by many popular programs such as WinZip, 7-Zip, and recent versions of Microsoft Windows. ZIPping a file or set of files can often reduce their size significantly at the cost of needing to be unzipped before they can be used.

Note though that I said, “…often reduce their size.”

Unfortunately, “often” doesn’t mean “always.”

One of the most common ways that compressed data can end up [actually] larger than the original is if the original is itself already compressed.
This happens most reliably when you compress twice using the same algorithm, but if the compression techniques you’re using are relatively efficient, then the algorithms don’t matter as much. ZIPping something twice makes the second zip larger than the first. But ZIPping a “RAR” file, also a compressed file, will typically result in something bigger than the original.

With that as background, we can finally explain our answer to the question.

Music files in formats like .mp3, .ogg, .aac, and so on are already compressed.
Pictures in popular formats such as .jpg, .png or .gif are already compressed.
Video files in formats like .wmv, .m4v, .mov, and more are already compressed.

And as we’ve seen by now, depending on the type of compression you’re using, compressing an already-compressed file at best does very little and at worst makes the file bigger.

So there’s typically no space-saving advantage to ZIPping an MP3, a photo, or a movie.

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Looks like we're back to a.) recompressing or b.) file-hosting site linking... ?

* Or is the ancient email methodology with it's 37% expansion still relevant? Noting, that i thin? the author is speaking in context of saving hard drive space?

Is it voluntary? (because if it isn't, what inherently is it?)
And can it be voluntary, if there's indoctrination, intimidation, coercion, threats & initiation of violence?
[not to be confused with asking: can it be said to be "voluntary" even when such is present.?]
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04-23-2017, 01:03 PM
Post: #6
RE: emails: capacities?
(04-23-2017 12:14 PM)eye2i2hear Wrote:  [Image: wall.gif]

Looks like we're back to a.) recompressing or b.) file-hosting site linking... ?

* Or is the ancient email methodology with it's 37% expansion still relevant? Noting, that i thin? the author is speaking in context of saving hard drive space?

I'm still learning stuff. That recompression causes expansion I did not know about.

The 37% is email related. No avoiding that in a direct email... So...

File-hosting site linking is your best bet IMO, with the proviso that if the hosting site dies, so does your uploaded files.

The imagestack site we were using for forum images is gone.
http://ww25.imagestack.net/
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Another option is to get your own webspace. See below.
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The audio sampling rate has an effect on the file sizes and the recorded quality of the music.
So does whether the file is stereo or mono.

For example, Marc's podcasts...
NSP – Apr 12, 2017 – Bonus Wednesday Edition: Episode 16

1hr - 256kbps - 48kHz - stereo - [FULL PODCAST] [ 110.41 MB ]
1hr - 48kbps - 48kHz - mono - [FULL PODCAST] [ 20.78 MB ]

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Rhetorical questions for now:

How often do you need to move files?
HOw big are the files?

Marc's using hostgator.
http://www.hostgator.com/web-hosting

There are lots of others out there.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=personal+websp...fnt&ia=web

If you don't mind being an advertising billboard, you can even get hosted for free.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=free+web+hosti...fnt&ia=web

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04-23-2017, 01:46 PM
Post: #7
RE: emails: capacities?
'preciate the shared thinking process.

(tho i can't believe you didn't start a new thread, quote me from this one, then go all out of context and take me --but not me personally, of course, of course-- to task for saying "we're." back to reripping/file sharing; what, haven't you learned anything from Our (self)Exalted role modElitity!? dang, if i didn't know better, i'd swear you're practicing some Ignore doGma... /snarcasm)
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Regarding the rhetoricals, this was mostly about the Curious George in me as to "why?!" (or, ok, closer to "wtf!?"); coupled with some degree of not wanting to be wasting b/w if possible-- which was nicely settled.
i don't send enough of such to warrant a wholesale change of approach (tho it's nice to be sure of available options); it's easy enough to re-rip an occasional mp3 and still have reasonable quality, especially seeing as it as more of an introductory/sampler aka buy it if you value it tact.
[i confess to getting a bit annoyed at times with the file-hosting sites, what with what seems to me to be their jump-through too-many-hoops approach --but which likely lends to more ads being presentable=$ellable as paying for it all, as 'free' for me/We...]

--2typicalAmuricon2i Cool

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