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NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
05-06-2017, 04:28 PM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2017 04:46 PM by LivingHuman.)
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NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
Hello All. Matthew from Australia here - it's been a while. I called in at the end of the show today and on the 22nd of April to talk about getting a better computer for Marc to live-stream and edit video with.

Myself and a few others, including Stephen Lawrence (skype: steve8108), will be contributing to this and we're also encouraging contributions from anyone else that wants to support Marc and the No State Project.

The problem: Marc's video editing and live-streaming computer is not really up to the demands placed on it.

The solutions: Stephen wants to build a new Hackintosh - it will run all the Apple Macintosh software on modern, commodity PC hardware. These systems are typically cheaper and faster than Apple computers.

Donations of systems or particular parts such as graphics cards, memory, hard drives are also welcomed and should be discussed here.

Another option is to give financial contributions directly to Marc so that he can acquire his own equipment.

Please post with any thoughts, questions and suggestions.
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06-08-2017, 11:18 AM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
So I want to update you all on some of the parts I am looking at for this build:

Intel 7th Gen Intel Core Desktop "Kaby Lake" Processor i7-7700K
~$330
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXSI216/

ASUS ROG Maximus IX Hero
~$225
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NBHXSP6/

Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 2400
~$230
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CYILUB8/

Cooler Master HAF XB II EVO
~$100
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FFJ0H3Q/

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS 1500VA 900W PFC
~$200
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00429N19W/

That brings the total of just these bare-bone main parts to ~$1100, and there is probably another $500+ in other parts that we will be looking at, but I wanted to put this list out there now to get feedback on what any of you think about the hardware and if y'all have any better suggestions.
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06-08-2017, 12:21 PM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
Can't you just go with a Commodore Amiga?

- NonE the severely deluded Sister Sleazious .).

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06-08-2017, 04:48 PM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
Personally, i think the Intel processor route is a weak to poor ROI; as far as bang for the buck why not one of AMD's finest? Put that, what, nigh half of the amount savings towards other necessary parts.? (see PC vs Mac $$, MSOS vs iOS)

If we were part of the Industrial Military Complex, of course, who'd care, spend it... /snarcasm

fwiw, of course--

sidebar: i was reminded via the comparisons here, of in the daze of my youth ♪ 'er, work i did for a bit when i was younger that along with other businesses, included general products for automotive dealerships; where while jobbing to service personnel, the work granted access to service bays --from Honda, to Chevy, to Mercedes. Where on one specific occasion, having noticed the Mercedes dealership had by comparable ratios, as many repair bays as the typical Ford/Chevy/Toyota, along with this particular dealership, now having a worker that i'd previously jobbed to at a non-Mercedes now working at/on Mercedes. Combined with my observing en route to his, that in one of the filled bays, a brand spanking new, still with the Sticker/MSP in the window, with all four doors open, the front seats out on the shop floor along with the dash and steering column! I commented to this employee what a bummer it must be to have paid what the owner of (and likely making the payments on) that car had, to then have that done to it, from which having arrived there, he pointed out from his service bay several bays down from it, "See any of the bays empty? They're just a car." Intel from a $imilar vantage point, performance wise? How much of it is ultimately just on paper? [thinks here as well, of the times a nephew, who's working professionally as a video editor, has posted head-banging vents regarding his Mac... and Final Cut Pro...]

Is it voluntary? (because if it isn't, what inherently is it?)
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06-08-2017, 07:00 PM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
Backing up eYeTooz comment, it's recently been revealed that Intel has been putting a secret chip in their processors for YEARS that gives them direct access and control over any machine with an Intel chip. Of course AMD may be doing the same, I'm not sure. Ernie has fully migrated his operations over to GNU/Linux and seems to be doing alright. I think an abacus is probably fairly secure but beyond that I can't say.

- NonE the severely deluded Sister Sleazious .).

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06-08-2017, 09:01 PM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
Thank you, Calvin.

Re: Intel... https://puri.sm/posts/how-purism-avoids-...y-exploit/
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06-09-2017, 11:43 AM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
Thanks for the feedback guys. I usually don't install IME drivers on my builds when I installed with Windows [I run Linux these days].

I want to stick with Intel because they have superior video rendering instructions compared to AMD. However, knowing how to mitigate this vulnerability will patch things up well enough.

https://puri.sm/learn/avoiding-intel-amt/
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07-24-2017, 01:46 PM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
After doing further research, I have changed my approach. Intel used to have better workstation/encoding/gaming performance, not so much anymore. When put up against the new Ryzen processors, they fall short in almost every area with the exception of gaming, which I assume Marc will not be running the latest games as much as he'll be doing audio/video encoding. That said, here is what I am looking to hit the buy button on:

AMD Ryzen 7 1700X
$299.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6819113428

MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon
$154.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6813144017

G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB
$189.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6820232530

Samsung 960 Pro 500GB M.2 SSD
$279.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6820147596

EVGA 220-P2-0850-X1 P2 80 Plus Platinum, 850W ECO Mode Fully Modular Power Supply
$156.94 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6817438056

Cooler Master HAF XB II EVO
$99.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6811119265

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS 1500VA 900W PFC
$214.95 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6842102134

I am not sure if we will NEED a graphics card, this will be something worth considering after we piece together this build and review rendering times to see if the system would significantly benefit from it.

With all of the above listed parts, that brings the total to approximately $1,400, and that's without shipping and taxes, so anyone who can chip-in; we are looking for at least another $200-$400 to fill in the gaps from what has already been donated. Thanks again to Matthew in Australia for his contribution of .5 BTC (~$1,200) to get this project rolling!

Any suggestions from fellow tech-heads out there are always welcome.
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07-25-2017, 06:41 AM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
(07-24-2017 01:46 PM)Calvin Wrote:  After doing further research, I have changed my approach. Intel used to have better workstation/encoding/gaming performance, not so much anymore. When put up against the new Ryzen processors, they fall short in almost every area with the exception of gaming, which I assume Marc will not be running the latest games as much as he'll be doing audio/video encoding. That said, here is what I am looking to hit the buy button on:

AMD Ryzen 7 1700X
$299.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6819113428

MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon
$154.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6813144017

G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB
$189.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6820232530

Samsung 960 Pro 500GB M.2 SSD
$279.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6820147596

EVGA 220-P2-0850-X1 P2 80 Plus Platinum, 850W ECO Mode Fully Modular Power Supply
$156.94 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6817438056

Cooler Master HAF XB II EVO
$99.99 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6811119265

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS 1500VA 900W PFC
$214.95 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6842102134

I am not sure if we will NEED a graphics card, this will be something worth considering after we piece together this build and review rendering times to see if the system would significantly benefit from it.

With all of the above listed parts, that brings the total to approximately $1,400, and that's without shipping and taxes, so anyone who can chip-in; we are looking for at least another $200-$400 to fill in the gaps from what has already been donated. Thanks again to Matthew in Australia for his contribution of .5 BTC (~$1,200) to get this project rolling!

Any suggestions from fellow tech-heads out there are always welcome.

I have quite a bit I would like to update, for example

1: 16GB for $189?!

2:WHY DOES HE NEED A UPS?! this isnt a server...

3: for $30 more, he could get a 1700X. It's on sale for the next 8 hours.

4: the processor you're suggesting getting is somewhat comparable to an i5-i7? So, in that case, an i7, for roughly the same price, is more powerful than the processor he chose. Another thing, he says that Intel is not as good as they used to be; but for what he's doing, AMD or Intel doesn't matter. Legit, music is music and is not rendering product models in CAD.

5: spend less on that PSU. Legit, why does it have to be "PLATINUM"...? Sure, 850 watts is fine, but not for $157...

6: Also, what's he going to use to cool that processor? The potato of a fan that comes w/ it? Comeon...

7: if you go intel i can install mac os on the system.

8: I can order through newegg for 0 robbery by the state (tax) and I get free 2 day shipping as i order a lot through them
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07-26-2017, 01:04 PM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
(07-25-2017 06:41 AM)SomethinLikeDis Wrote:  I have quite a bit I would like to update, for example

1: 16GB for $189?!

2:WHY DOES HE NEED A UPS?! this isnt a server...

3: for $30 more, he could get a 1700X. It's on sale for the next 8 hours.

4: the processor you're suggesting getting is somewhat comparable to an i5-i7? So, in that case, an i7, for roughly the same price, is more powerful than the processor he chose. Another thing, he says that Intel is not as good as they used to be; but for what he's doing, AMD or Intel doesn't matter. Legit, music is music and is not rendering product models in CAD.

5: spend less on that PSU. Legit, why does it have to be "PLATINUM"...? Sure, 850 watts is fine, but not for $157...

6: Also, what's he going to use to cool that processor? The potato of a fan that comes w/ it? Comeon...

7: if you go intel i can install mac os on the system.

8: I can order through newegg for 0 robbery by the state (tax) and I get free 2 day shipping as i order a lot through them

1) That is one of the few memory sets that is guaranteed compatibility with the new Ryzen CPUs at max speed without any issues or additional configuration.

2) Every workstation needs a active/online UPS to protect its sensitive circuitry from power fluctuations. I would have internal parts fail after about a year or so without protecting them from bad wall power and since I have used a UPS I have had zero parts fail. My system is going on 5 years without a hiccup. Marc especially cannot afford to have data loss or part failure.

3) Why would I pay $30 more for the CPU I am already planning to use? Question

4) By all benchmarks the Ryzen processor is significantly superior to Intel with the exception of gaming processing. The i7 is not the more powerful processor for this use-case and it is slightly more expensive. The PC is being built for media encoding and that is why were sticking with what works best now and is more 'future-proof.'

5) You're right on the PSU, I plan on stepping down to a bronze or silver class at 600 watts. I shouldn't be dropping more than $90 on a power supply.

6) Water-cooling. Probably a H60, but I haven't decided yet because it depends on the case.

7) Going with Windows (unfortunately; I would prefer Linux) for access to software. Windows is the most popular operating system so it will always have application support where Mac may not in every instance. Driver support is another major reason, if not; the main reason for sticking with MS.

8) Thanks, I may take you up on that for some of the parts! I will be getting these parts where I can find the best deal on them. Not all will be through Newegg, I just used their links because I like their product description layout.
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07-26-2017, 03:27 PM (This post was last modified: 07-26-2017 03:30 PM by eye2i2hear.)
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
(07-26-2017 01:04 PM)Calvin Wrote:  
(07-25-2017 06:41 AM)SomethinLikeDis Wrote:  I have quite a bit I would like to update, for example

2:WHY DOES HE NEED A UPS?! this isnt a server...

2) Every workstation needs a active/online UPS to protect its sensitive circuitry from power fluctuations. I would have internal parts fail after about a year or so without protecting them from bad wall power and since I have used a UPS I have had zero parts fail. My system is going on 5 years without a hiccup. Marc especially cannot afford to have data loss or part failure.

i just wanted to give my2¢ worth on this one, in the form of a "ditto!" to Calvin's point. (just be sure to monitor the backup battery life in a coupla years --says Mr NonExperience2i)
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That, and to note that tho indeed not being used as a server (24/7), when being used as an iradio broadcast console¹, isn't there a (temporary) parallel circa importance of maintaining presence regardless of a/c? (1. assuming of course, that to be the case i.e. serving both purposes?)

Lastly, my2¢ worth on the general direction per the update, i like the general practical value direction, as more deflated/downward, as more efficient/wiser, considering the means.

--i2¢scentssense Cool

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07-28-2017, 02:25 PM
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RE: NSP April 22nd & May 6th 2017 - Marc's video editing computer...
Here is a good benchmark review that demonstrates why I choose to go with the AMD Ryzen 1700x CPU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNK7EtXrtjs
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